Whats is a MAF?

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:34
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Hello All

What is the MAF?

I've seen it mentioned in relation to the Nissan ZD30 TD engine but not sure what it stands for.

Probably a stupid question but would appreciate a little information about it

Thanking you in anticipation
Regards
Phil
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:38

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:38
mass air flow sensor.
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h34.pdf#search=%22mass%20airflow%20sensor%22

Leroy
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:38

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:38
Mass Air Flow sensor, measures the amount of air flowing into the engine which then tells the electronics how much fuel to supply for the optimum fuel/air mix.
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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:46

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:46
Hi Leroy and Peter2

Thanks for your replies.

Like many things in life it is so obvious once you know

Regards
Phil
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Reply By: Exploder - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:46

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 20:46
Mass Airflow sensor

It Detects how much Air is flowing thru the intake and gives the Info to the engines ECU.

You also get MAP sensors or Mass air pressure sensor> they have their advantages over the MAF as the MAF has its advantages over the MAP.

Don’t ask me to explain what the Advantages and disadvantages are as I am not full bottle on it, but on an application like a Gen 3 V8 swapping the MAF for a MAP and dyno tuning it will get you 30-40-RWKW just like that.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 21:40

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 21:40
An engine has one or the other.
If it has a MAP (Manifold air pressure) sensor it won't have a MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor. The MAF can also be refered to as a Air Flow Meter, same thing.
120scruiser
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 23:59

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 23:59
Hi 120scruiser,
You'll find that most new engines will have MAF, MAP and MAT.

Hugh
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:46

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:46
"MAP"...."Manifold Absolute Pressure" sensor.
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 18:12

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 18:12
Chaz & 120 thanks for correcting my MAP typo.

and Hugh too as i didn't know some had all 3
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Reply By: mr fixit - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 22:27

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 22:27
When I went to tech a map sensor was a manifold absolute pressure sensor not a manifold AIR sensor as suggested by 120cruiser
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Follow Up By: Billowaggi - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 23:24

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 23:24
Yea me too as it is mostly measuring vaccume in a petrol engine.

Ken.
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Reply By: Member - Phantom (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 23:30

Wednesday, Aug 23, 2006 at 23:30
Golly gosh... and here's me thinking all this time that a MAP was a thing that woman can't read and men don't need!!!
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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:34

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:34
Hi Everyone

Thanks for your replies.

The Gregory's Workshop Manual for the Nissan Patrol ZD30 engine show what I understand to be the MAF as the Air Flow Sensor in the connecting hose from the top cover of the air cleaner.

However, there are 3 other items that it may be;

1. Intake air control actuator on the throttle body,
2. Intake air control solenoid,
3. Swirl control solenoid.

Thanks for your assistance
regards
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:34

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:34
Hi Phil,

The MAF sensor is the air flow sensor, located in inlet tube between air cleaner and manifold. This is a primary control input to the ECU. The other devices don't measure airflow, but do control airflow within the manifold to suit combustion requirements. These are driven by ECU output based on OEM calibration of the engine.

Regards,
Hugh
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Reply By: GU - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:42

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:42
Question. How would the MAF (mass air flow) sensor react if you had a filthy air filter?

The reason I'm asking is because my Nissan Dealer (yes I own a ZD30) says to obtain the maximum reliability out of my engine I should ensure two basic things are right at all times.

1. Engine oil level is to maximum recommended capacity.
2. Air filter is cleaned regularly and not allowed to clog between services.

I have a K&N filter which I check (and service if required) after any dusty 4wd trip, especially one which may involve close convoy procedures.

The filter housing for the ZD30 is not large by any means and this was my main
motivation in fitting the K&N which I could service even on the road if necessary.
The dealer thought this a great idea (obvious) because he felt that too many owners weren't checking them in between services and you could imagine how dirty they would get driving in dust day in and day out .

I also have a snorkel which also helps.

It would be interesting to see whether owners of the ZD30 that have had trouble in the past with their engines could have been better served by paying closer attention to their air filters.

My ZD30 uses almost no oil between services but the air filter becomes, I think, dirty very quickly.

Is it the MAF's job to compensate fuel flow with a dirty filter?
Any thoughts?
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:52

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:52
Hi GU
My Nissan dealer said they will not honour any warranty if a non standard Air Filter is fitted. I have a Oct. 2001 model. I check the air filter regularly and will change it 2 or 3 times a year (only $32). I make sure the oil is at maximum level at all times, and check this regularly as well. (especially if on a trip) I use the relatively new Semi Synthetic Nissan Oil 10W-40 ACEA: B3. I am agreat believer in clean, air, clean fuel and clean and correct oil.

Rob
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Follow Up By: GU - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 10:06

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 10:06
Absolutely 3.0Turbob. Only way to go.
No problems at my dealer with the K&N. I actually checked with them before I fitted it. I told them of my concerns with the air filter and that I wanted one that I could service on the run. They thought it was a great idea and didn't object to it being an aftermarket item.
Sounds like your engine is a good one. How many k's (dirt driving?) have you done?
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:21

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:21
I,ve got 116,000 on the clock. Dirt driving? Couldn't tell you exact figure, but do day trips with the club about once a month, tow a camper trailer about the place during school holidays, so far so good. But like I said I check everything regularly.

Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:46

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:46
Hi GU,
If the filter is partially blocked then airflow will be reduced and the MAF sensor will feedback the airflow to the ECU. How the engine then reacts depends on how it has been calibrated by the OEM.
A more worrying condition occurs if the MAF sensor becomes contaminated (say with dust, etc) and sends an incorrect airflow reading to the ECU. Then the fuelling, etc is based upon incorrect airflow and this is where problems can occur. I've read about MAF sensor failures on the ZD30 - don't know root cause.
At work our inst techs regularly service out lab MAF sensors to ensure they remain in calibration - contact cleaner works well. I've made a habit of cleaning the MAF sensor on my ZD30 at 20k km intervals. Don't touch the surface with anything solid (hard, soft, whatever) - just spray with contact cleaner and refit.
Regards,
Hugh
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Follow Up By: blown_zd30 - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 15:45

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 15:45
G'day GU

I am not 100% sure about the K&N Filter you're running but if it's like a finer filter which has the oily sleeve on it you need to be really careful that it never gets over oiled which is easy to do because the ZD30 does suck air in at a fair rate and it would only take a tiny amount of oil to land on the MAF which is just up the air intake a little and it would be destroyed. Last time I checked they were around $280 to replace.

I only ran my ZD30 with a finer filter very briefly before being advised against it for this reason and decided the $30 genuine paper filters were a much safer option.

As far as servicing on the road, it's simply out with the old and in with the new.

Cheers
Brad
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Follow Up By: nonon - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 19:52

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 19:52
Common symptoms of a dusted/dirty MAFS because of a blocked/buggered air filter are lack of power, unwillingness of engine to 2000 rpm [turbo won't spool up], increase in smoke out the exhaust, increase in fuel consumption, tendency for owner to want to burn the POS!!!
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