What price a second hand Barrett 950 ?

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 30, 2006 at 23:26
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Hello chaps and chappettes,

The mining co. I work for may have a mint condition Barrett 950 remote head HF radio coming up as being surplus to requirements. I'm keen to bung it in my 100 series.

I've looked on the 'net a bit and can't seem to find much to compare with. I want to offer the co. a fair price for the unit.

It has sat in a cupboard under the receptionist's desk for the last 3 years and hasn't had a single call made on it. It was for emergency comms for the remote exploration diamond drill rigs. It appears to be in mint condition.

It doesn't have an antenna suitable for a vehicle so I'd obviously have to purchase one of those elsewhere along with the cabling (I'd probably go with the Barrett autotune jobbie). I also realise that I'd have to get it re-programmed and I'd also get it professionally installed.

My question is what would be a fair market price for such a unit?

Thanks in advance.

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Reply By: Barnesy - Wednesday, Aug 30, 2006 at 23:55

Wednesday, Aug 30, 2006 at 23:55
Can't answer your question Stephen but i thought that HF was on the way out and sat phones will be the go soon? If i'm wrong please correct me.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen (WA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 00:50

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 00:50
Barnsey,

You could be right.

But I still like the idea of having VKS737 as a point of reference and not to mention a fair few other HF users running around the place whilst I am travelling around.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (SA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 08:51

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 08:51
Hi Barnsey,
I will always recommend HF. From my own personal experiences with Sat Phones, they would drop out on a regular basis, which in turn cost more money to re connect, only to have this happen again.

I have been a member of the VKS 737 Radio network for over 12 years, to see it grow from a few members, to the the largest growing radio network in Australia. You are able to get all the latest information on where you are heading including road and weather updates. If someone is in trouble you are able to help out if the need be. If you were relying on your sat phone to ring and the phone system goes out, like it did about 18 months ago for 48 hours, go are in deep trouble, while your HF Radio will always come to the rescue.

To me, the HF may slow down in sales, but will always be included in the reliable long distance communications, that is free to use.

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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 03:10

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 03:10
You offer book value ... so check with accounting what they have in the books ..
I guess 5 year depreciation .. so 3 years over, it is 2/5 of the purchase price...
thats a fair price for both sides and they have no hasel selling it ...
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen (WA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:35

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:35
Not a bad idea gmd.

I'll have to get into the site bean-counter and hope that his asset register is in a better state than some I have seen from time to time !!!

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Reply By: Darian (SA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 08:30

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 08:30
While the 950 is now superceded, it is a proven performer with hoards of happy owners (I'm one). In my view, a unit complete with antenna and all cabling ready for installation is worth $1800 -$2000 max (got mine for $1500 3 years ago - I was lucky but) - all parts and service are still readily available via head office and various national agents. Anthoney Benbow at Barrett in WA [08 9434 1700 /
service@barrettcommunications.com.au ] might tell you when the unit was first retailed - and indicate a price on the extras you need (probably only retailed by agents though). I reckon any more than $2000 all up and you might be better off with the current 2050 with the latest features and the 3 year warranty. Re your employer - they may want a lot less than you think to quit "the thing" - why not ask them what they want first ? (as mentioned above ).
Re Barnesy's comment on Satphones - they have a place for sure and are rightly preferred by many for their circumstances - but I can't see HF going anywhere yet - I'm one of a sizeable group of VKS737 volunteer base operators - we are currently working hoards of contacts a week on all skeds.
PS: I did hear anecdotally that the new 2050 has no significant user features over the 950 - just new design factors etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen (WA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:41

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:41
Hi Darian,

Thanks for your views on what a set-up is worth - you've given me something to go by.

I did ask the site RM how much the co. wanted but he had no idea.

I'll have a wee think about it and see if I can come up with a figure that is agreeable to both of us.

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Reply By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:00

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:00
Over the last several years I have toyed with the idea and cost value of getting HF.

Before the advances in technology and Iridium SATPHONES the rationale of HF as a means of outback emergency communications is becoming a little redundant. Recently SATPHONES have become more affordable (in some cases cheaper than HF, not including call costs) and they can even be hired. Call costs aside when your in an emergency.

Given that a call the 000 would probably be responded to as fast as calling on the HF. You will soon be able to get EPIRB that gives your GPS location.

Can anyone please provide supporting evidence that could justify the requirement for HF in an era of continual technology and communications advancement.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:27

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:27
For emergency contact ONLY, satphone is most probably better than HF, but there are many benefits in being able to chat with other drivers who are nearby -
- local road conditions
- sightseeing tips
- local weather etc

Think of HF as UHF to cover longer distances - you can't use a Satphone to contact other travellers who happen be within a few hundred kilometres of you.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (SA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:30

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:30
Hi Wizard,
The world may be changing, but for me, it is still HF Radio. Put yourself in this situation.

You are in a remote outback location and you need some form of help, eg mechanical or medical. If you uses your sat phone, you give your details, they then have to do some organizing, and you do not know how long and quick help may be available.(providing that you have that certain phone number and person to contact in the first place)

Jump on the reliable HF to VKS 737 Network and you are put in touch immediately to a doctor or mechanic. The other good side is that most reliable people that take outback travel seriously would have a HF radio. A general call for help is sent out to anyone in the area, and sooner than later, you have help. Sure in may be a few days away, but you have people that may be near your location that you are in and able to help out.

On the other hand, if you made your call via the Sat phone, you will never know if someone is just a few kilometres away.

Sure there will always be a good topic of discussion, but you do not see many serious outback travellers without the reliable HF.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:07

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:07
New price of mine was $2950. I remember being told once that the autotune was worth $1600. So I'd guess the set and head unit to be worth about the same new.

Electric Bug in Adelaide sell the second hand Barrett 950 with autotune for $2450 which includes 12 months warranty, programming and tuition.

There are also alternatives to autotune. I have a "SuperRod" aerial, which is a 9 metre extendable fibreglass rod with a wire up the middle. I can set it up in less than a minute. It is the correct tuned length for 8022, but operates well on the other frequencies. The benefit is that it has many times the performance of an autotune or whip - I always transmit with a nice strong signal. Downside is that you can't use it while mobile. I do hook it through my autotune, but it also works just as well when connected directly to the set. So I carry it as my backup aerial. Electric Bug make them up.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen (WA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 14:03

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 14:03
Hi Phil,

Thanks for the info. Using your figures and those of Darian and Dave, I reckon I'll offer around the $400 mark in the absence of a book value from the bean counter as suggested by GMD (above). Obviously if the book value is lower, then that's what will be offered.

Funny thing happened a week or two ago. The bean-counter moved offices to the exploration area and there is an older HF unit in there as well (didn't see what model it was). It's hooked up to a UPS with the associated noise from fans etc... The noise is driving him nuts.. I can't see that one lasting too long either! :-)

Thanks for the info about the "SuperRod". I had heard about them, but no user reports per se. I reckon it'd make a great backup.

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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:14

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:14
Hi Stephen,

I'd suggest as previously stated that the value to the business is what you ought be offering as opposed to what may be a fair value if you were buying it off a private seller.

The business will have depreciated it at possibly as much as 30% a year over it's life and may have been completely written off from an accounting point of view.

Without autotune and needing reprogramming I'd think it'd only be worth a couple of hundred bucks to them tops, despite the fact that it is worth much more as a private sale.

I travel with both HF and Satphone routinely, but if you gave me a choice and said I could only take one which would it be? I'd take the HF any day and twice on Sundays. I continually toy with selling the Satphone (Motorola 9500 on Iridium with a Telstra GSM mobile SIM on $10 plan) but basically only keep it for loaning to mates and taking when I travel with others in their vehicle. It doesn't owe me anything and I own it outright so I may as well keep it.

I use the HF for VKS737 scheds, messages and talking to other members. Several guys I travel with have bought HF gear and joined since I did so now we chat when travelling. I also use it for phone calls via Radtel Network from time to time so the Satphone is lucky to even get turned on.

I've helped on occasion when other members have broken down in remote locations and coordinated the extraction of a girl with a broken leg from the high country.

You can't beat VKS737 for service and you can be phone patched to police, fire, ambulance and RFDS as well as many other useful contacts like Pink Roadhouse and other common outback services if you need to in emergency situations via selcall.

HF is a long way from dead by any stretch of the imagination. Most who knock it haven't REALLY used it, or if they did never invested the small amount of time to learn the basics needed to use it properly. Those that do in my experience never look back.

I've come across several new members or old members who've not used their gear in my travels, and in half an hour in a caravan park I've had them on a sched, given them the basics and set them loose. I've had several write later and thank me.

Talk to the boss, bag yourself a bargain and go for it.

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen (WA) - Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:51

Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 13:51
Hi Dave,

I guess you have pretty much articulated the reasons why I want a HF whilst I am travelling. The security, the information, the ability to call for help from those in the area and to respond to any calls for help as well.

I have been toying with the idea to get a HF, but couldn't justify the $$ to myself for only needing it a couple of times per year. This opportunity is a chance to "get in" at a reduced cost. I'm led to believe a well maintained set will last for a long time.

We get out amongst it a few times per year (school holidays though),; so I don't see myself a going to be a "power user" of any sort, but I hope to gain and maintain enough skills to use it without trepidation.

Thanks for your views on the $$.

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