Anderson plugs

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:00
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Ok here's another stupid question - not having had to purchase or wire an ANDERSON plug/socket what is the best way - CRIMP or Solder.

Secondly - how does the plug and socket stay together without vibrating loose....

Ok guys here's your chance....

Grrr!!!
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Reply By: wazzaaaa - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:21

Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:21
Gidday CRAZY DOG, after going to the trouble and expense of buying anderson plugs myself not soldering them was a crime I thought, but a soldering iron was not up to it so I bought a torch kit for $19.00 and it worked well.
Have also used the torch to start wet timber when camping so it was a good investment I thought. Anderson plugs are a very snug fit when clipped togeather so vibrating is not an issue.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:21

Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:21
If you don't have a proper cimping tool to fit that size cable - don't crimp.

If you don't have a soldering iron to handle that size cable - don't solder.

Don't tin the end of the wire and then crimp - cold-flow of the solder will mean a faulty connection eventually.

If you're paranoid, crimp, then solder. If the crimp was worth doing, then there's no point in soldering.

If there will be any movement of the cable, put heatshrink over the sleeve and wire to stop fatigue failure at this weak point.

The plugs stay together due to the detent design of the connectors - you can standard and high-release-pressure ferrules.
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Reply By: Member - John - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:26

Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:26
Solder and when you assemble one and join them the second question will be answered.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:48

Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 20:48
Solder. Use a blow torch. If you don't have one you can pick one up for around $20. Heat the cable where it will enter the female end of the lug. Fill the lug with solder. Keep it hot and liquid and plunge the cable in.

When you have done both, fit the lugs to the plastic holder the job is done.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 08:23

Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 08:23
Plunging copper into solder is asking for an unreliable connection because you need flux to ensure tinning of the copper.

You need to do multiple dipping as Derek suggests below to ensure that the tin solder has taken to the copper, OR use abig enough iron so that you can heat lug and copper and run fluxed solder into the joint.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 04:42

Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 04:42
Hey there Doggie!

I'm not going to lecture you at all.
What I'm going to do is direct you to the Anderson Web site which will answer all your questions. It also has assembly instructions in PDF format which you can download and print.

Anderson Connector

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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 06:42

Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 06:42
From long time electrical experience - do not solder! Any machinery that is subject to vibration - crimp.
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 07:41

Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 07:41
Hi Crazy



The cut away shows how the plugs hook together with a stainless steel spring pushing the lugs together. This ensures a good connection and they won't come loose.

With regard the connections if you don't have a proper crimping tool then it is best to solder. Make sure not to deform the lug or spill solder over the lug as the Anderson plug is precesion moulded and there is no tolerance for deformed lugs.

When I solder I use a butane torch $19.00 from Dick Smith, A block of wood with holes drilled into it and a damp cloth ready to cool the lug down. Heat the lug and fill with solder to 3/4 full and while controling the heat on the lug slowly dip the wire 2 or 3 times till the tip of the wire is saturated and coated (Careful not to spill the solder) then place the wire in position and cool down with the cloth.

The idea is to just have solder on the first 8 to 10mm of the wire so that the wire does not get brittle and be prone to stress cracking over time. This procedure also ensures you don't melt the insulation.

Hope this helps.

Regards Derek.
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Follow Up By: datto311 - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 19:04

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 19:04
Derek

What sort of crimping tool would you use to crimp these anderson plugs?

Noel
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 19:48

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 19:48
Hi Noel,

I prefer to solder but you can crimp if you must.

You will need a good quality crimping tool with a ratchet. Oval shape is best and the size will depend on the wire you are using.

With the crimp tool fully closed the hole you decide to crimp with should be about the size of the cable diameter being used.

Regards Derek.
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Follow Up By: datto311 - Sunday, Sep 17, 2006 at 16:08

Sunday, Sep 17, 2006 at 16:08
Thanks Derek. Seems soldering is the answer. I have an 80watt leadlighter's soldering iron. Do you think this will produce enough heat?

Noel
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Sunday, Sep 17, 2006 at 19:28

Sunday, Sep 17, 2006 at 19:28
Not sure, have never seen one. Just go to Dick Smith and get a $19 butane job.
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Reply By: HJ60-2H - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 07:54

Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 07:54
I use the 30 A version which are smaller and easily soldered with a standard soldering iron. Also cheaper and they are compatible with the larger 50A version pictured above.

There are many different types of Anderson plugs rated for different currents, Seems every one commonly uses the 50A version, not sure why. Jaycar sells a variety of them including the 30A version which are conveniently coloured red and black.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 20:33

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 20:33
50Amp Andersons are surface mount. Those 30amp red and black ones are in-line, but you can hook them together - they have been around for many years under different names.
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Follow Up By: HJ60-2H - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 20:44

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 20:44
Not sure what surface mount means, can you elaborate?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:20

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:20
Surface mount means that you can put a screw or small bolt thru the middle of the connector, so its permanently attached to something - like you would do if attaching a 50+amp Andersonplug to a towbar, or of you wanted to mount the connector to a panel inside the car.

The In line ones (like those 30amp connectors) just hang in the breeze, and are usually cable-tied to something close by. Surface mount is usually more secure for 4wd applications.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:27

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:27
The connectors below are the 30amp "in-line" ones you're talking about.


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Follow Up By: HJ60-2H - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:28

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:28
OK. The 30A ones I use also have a hole in them that allows a pi to be put in to hold them together or a screw to fix them to a surface. I guess that makes them surface mount as well.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:37

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 21:37
HJ60-2H,
I've just dived into the shed to look at one, and You're right! I've used those connectors for 15 years and never noticed the half hole in each connector! Yep, so singularly, they are in-line and when you pair them up, they can be surface mount. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 08:27

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 08:27
Hi,

I've got some left overs of these from fitting out my vehicle. $30 for ten pairs posted - that's ten red and ten black. MM me if you're interested.

I'll be away at Southern Hills late this month for a week or so, so won't be able to repond straight away.

Tim
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Follow Up By: HJ60-2H - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 09:55

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 09:55
Hi tim,

If I haven't been beatne to it then I'll take them. Cant PM you. You can email me at comptonallenatoptusnet.com.au
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 08:26

Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 08:26
Anderson connectors only work to provide such low contact resistance with a small conatct area because they are silver plated. Silver has a low resistance initially, but is also resistant to corrosion.

Electrolysis will still strip off the plating if the connector is wet for a long time while it has 12 volts DC on it.

If you get solder on the contact surface there is no way to remove it without removing the thin silver plating. Throw the lug away and start again on that wire.
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