water heater

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 12, 2006 at 21:47
ThreadID: 37669 Views:9946 Replies:7 FollowUps:10
This Thread has been Archived
I have a windsor rapid and want to put a gas hot water system in it for bush camping and showers, what does everyone else use? Have looked at the suburban 23lt storage system and it does'nt look to bad.
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: coongoola - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 08:00

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 08:00
Hi Chips,

I have a Jayco Dove Outback and installed a Truma 13 litre heater under the bench seat as it's only about 300mm high. It has a stainless cylinder and ignites from the 12 volt system. All thats required is to turn the switch during setup and we have pressurised hot water in 20 minutes. We also installed an external shower which works great with one of those shower tents.

How do you find the Rapid ? I have my eye on it as our next van.

Cheers

Pat
AnswerID: 194270

Reply By: wazzaaaa - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:46

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:46
Hi chips59,
We put a Suburban in our van about a year ago after looking at all that was available, we chose it because it has a porcelain-lined tank like the one in homes and also has a replaceable anode rod as well for insurance in case of a chip of the porcelain.
I installed it myself under a seat, it is 12v ignition for gas and also 240v for when it is available.We have had no problems and my brother in law has had one for 5 years and still no problem apart from replacing the anode rod.
Wazza
AnswerID: 194312

Reply By: LastAussieWorker - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 12:07

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 12:07
Truma is great bit of gear and no anodes to replace all stainless steel. Gas consumption per litre water heated is half off Truma compared to Suburban. Fitting to existing van you need to cut frame and sometimes two frames of caravan (not good) for Suburban and Truma only has small external opening about 200mm x 85mm. Suburban is old fashioned and Truma is modern technology and works. Would not touch a suburban compared to Truma as had all Suburban, Attwood and Truma. If you need more hot water than Truma then Attwood is better buy to Suburban as Attwood has stainless steel tank and no anodes which cost $ and you must remember otherwise good by tank. If you shop around you can find a Truma for about $650
AnswerID: 194315

Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 13:28

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 13:28
Hi lastaussieworker,
We had to replace our Attwood as the tank was leaking they said it due to electrolytical action attacking the metal caused by heating water,( I thought it was an aluminium tank though) the more you heat the worse it is that is why we wanted something that this would not happen to. I realized our home system was porcelain lined and it is still going after 10 years. Happy to spend $20 on an anode rod every few years for extra safty, also we can drain it if we want when not in use, so no problems. Will shower a family of 4 no worries as it heats much faster than the Attwood, but we don't notice any extra gas consumption as it heats for less time. So no experience with Trauma buty very happy with suburban.
Wazza
0
FollowupID: 452236

Follow Up By: LastAussieWorker - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 23:43

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 23:43
Wazza the tank went in your Attwood because you did not change the anode. The Attwood was a glass lined tank and now changed to stainless steel so you did not have to bother with anode. Suburban and Attwood have basically identical crude gas burner. On specifications they both have nearly identical gas consumption.
0
FollowupID: 452412

Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 06:27

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 06:27
Hi LastAussieWorker,
sorry but it did not have an anode to change that is why we changed it.
Wazza
0
FollowupID: 452427

Reply By: wazzaaaa - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 13:32

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 13:32
Forgot to mention no frame cutting on our van fitted between the frame uprights nicely.
Wazza
AnswerID: 194330

Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 13:41

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 13:41
We have a Truma, in our CT. I think it is 18 litre. We only run it when needed. Only takes 15 mins or so to heat up and it is easily big enough for 2 showers and the washing up. If you have more people, just allow 5 mins between showers.

It was in the CT when we got it (new) and I initially thought it was a bit of a gimmick. But after a few trips, I wouldn't be without it.

Make sure you put it somewhere that it can be vented outside. We have a little lockable flap on the side of the CT that is water and dust proof. Just open it when we start the HWS.
AnswerID: 194331

Follow Up By: LastAussieWorker - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 23:46

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 23:46
Technically your hot water system installation is illegal. The person who issued the gas licence should be banned from approving gas installations. The standard Truma setup is designed to be mounted through the wall.
0
FollowupID: 452414

Follow Up By: LastAussieWorker - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 23:47

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 23:47
Capacity is 14 litre
Would not be without hot water. You cannot wash dishes properly without hot water.
0
FollowupID: 452415

Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:00

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:00
LAW, I just love your ability to make such a forthright assessment as :
'Technically your hot water system installation is illegal. The person who issued the gas licence should be banned from approving gas installations'
with such limited information and not having seen the installation. You are a marvel.

My system is mounted exactly as specified in the instructions booklet that came with the heater. The only change is that the removable plastic cover for the cowel grill has been replaced with a lockable metal one that is hinged off the side of the CT (with rubber seals) to make it more water and dust proof.

But you got one thing right. Capacity is 14 litres.

0
FollowupID: 452428

Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 10:16

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 10:16
Here Here!
0
FollowupID: 452457

Follow Up By: LastAussieWorker - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:59

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:59
Norm can guarantee it is illegal
plastic cover is designed to blow off should you light the gas without the cover removed
you could have one hell of an explosion
you have modified the appliance to an unsafe state
100% ILLEGAL and would void your insurance and possible large fine
the plastic cover that comes with the unit is an approved engineered safety device of the unit
please think about what you have done and the potentially dangerous hazard you have created
have you ever seen the result of a small quantity of gas in a confined space
0
FollowupID: 452501

Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 13:57

Thursday, Sep 14, 2006 at 13:57
LAW, if you read my original post, I have modified nothing. It was in the CT when I got it new.

I have now discussed this with the CT builder, who assures me it has been done right and is properly certified.
As a limited 'real world' check, I tried to light it with the hood closed. It will not light, and after about 2 secs the gas cuts out.

Now, I'll accept the 'guarantee' of an engineer who knows the CT intimately, over the 'guarantee' of someone who has never seen it and has very limited information on it any day.

You may well be an expert in the gas area (you are certainly trying to present yourself as such). But you do yourself no favour giving guarantees and such forthright statement os fact over legality, insurance, safety, etc on the basis of your interpretation of such limited info as I have given.

I'll listen to good advice from anybody who knows what they are talking about, but I'm more likely to listen when the person giving the advice has sought out a reasonable amount of info first.

Thanks for your advice and concern, but I'm happy with what I have, unless an expert who can see and touch my set up tells me different.

0
FollowupID: 452509

Reply By: chips59 - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 17:01

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 17:01
thanks for the replies, I like the idea of not having to cut the frame so maybe put up with old tec and don't cut frame or new tec and cut frame- no cutting wins.
the rapid we bought just over 2 years ago and love it. had a few problems to get fixed under warranty from what i call the Friday built one, (if you know what i mean.) but Cameron's have been very good to deal with i have a small problem now with the roof and there going to fix it next week. its a bit heavy than i like for off road (have the off road one) but towed it into and out off davenport creek ( near Ceduna) in April no problem. thought i may have to winch it up the sand hill there but let the tyres down to 12 psi and drove straight out.
AnswerID: 194363

Reply By: Jimbo - Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 19:24

Wednesday, Sep 13, 2006 at 19:24
Just a thought.

If you don't have an internal shower, what is the advantage of an internally fitted HWS? If you're going to set up a shower tent outside, the portable Coleman HWS is a cheaper option. It is also instantaneous, no waiting for it to reheat. No need for fitting or plumbing.

Anyway, like I said, just another option.

Cheers,

Jim.
AnswerID: 194404

Follow Up By: coongoola - Saturday, Sep 16, 2006 at 20:02

Saturday, Sep 16, 2006 at 20:02
G'day Jimbo,

Good point, but in my case I also have a "flickmixer" tap on the sink instead of the push pump type that came with the camper. With the aid of a 12 volt shurflo pump, it gives a good flow & pressure to the sink as well as the outdoor shower unit thats mounted just to the left of the front boot.

Happy camping

Pat
0
FollowupID: 452880

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (9)