Fantastic Idea

Bware

Mate! there is a never ending tirade here, there and everywhere about boats polluting the waterways, lawnmowers doing the same to the neighbourhood/s, chainsaws being the 'beginning of the end' and generators - GENERATORS! - fawk man, just the mention of the word on this forum alone gets the blood boiling, mouths frothing and fingers catching on fire on the keyboards.

Farmers - prorected breed as they get fuel tax rebates as primary producers which is OK by me.

I am glad you brought the abovementioned environmental demons and climate cooling/heating things to my attention so that I can add them to the list of 'PROS' that this fantastic idea would bring about.

Your contribution is much appreciated.

I was just pointing out some of the hurdles that would need to be overcome to implement this idea. Although I may agree with you in part about the 'environmental demons', the priciple of the idea is for the paying of rego; but fuel is used for many things that aren't registered vehicles.

My boat engine exceeds all current and future emision standards, the levy sugested is to cover rego costs on the vehicles - not the polution they cause.

Robbo, I think I can hear your assertive voice trying to run over everyone here even saying you don't like bad language below and there I see it under your moniker above, not the spelling right, but the pron is there. I got into trouble on that one this morning where I only put ONE letter in, with the original post.

I know that you say farmers are a protected breed, but completely unprotected in the world they live in. Farmers get the GST returned where it is a legitimate business expense, the same as any other business person, not more. There is a tax returned on diesel where it is for off road and heavy vehicle use, trucks taking harvest to the silo and the like. I am sure if the nanny Bracks went your way, we would pay heaps extra on trucks and the like, just like they were supposed to cease certain taxes when the GST came in - of course they didn't! Your assertiveness kicking in here and mistaken knowledge on tax treatment of farmers, trying to perpetuate mis-understanding.

The article in today's age where country people are now starting to echo that Bracksie is trying to pass off all the dirty water the cities don't need to the country and taking country fresh water. Not bad for Jimbo's favourite rag to start exposing the dirty side of Bracksie, bit of a change in fact. People are starting to wake up to him. Excesses of the Commonwealth Games are starting to come out now, despite stating they had capped the expenditure, that actually ran over the cap by $90mill plus. Just like the multiple over-run of the rail systems they have managed. Spencer Street and the so called VFT. Farcical train.

I know that there are many posters here that are fair to some extent and this one isn't part of that. I know that some head to the High Country and beyond, but complain about the transport cost they pay for fuel, this would compound that. They also take their own food from the city for a week or a fortnight away, complaining that costs are higher in the country Your plan would add to the expenses of food in the country with the taxes building in, just so you can get your subsidised by someone who uses a truck for business, even though they are already doing that with current tax rates.

Your silly plan overlooks the fact that some taxes we pay are flag fall taxes that rally only need to operate once a year. Sheer stupidity.

Dear Kunnunurra Boatie and Cow Poo Hunter

Just because you two capitalist, right wing mothers can aford boats with engines that comply with pollution levels and Mercs, tractors, etc that live of the farm, you have to think of us poor city bound b a s t a r d s chewing juice like it is going out fashion whilst living in the fast lane.

I can't keep this up for much longer ROFLMAO.

However the idea of a national scheme (as proposed by someone else)has merit as long as the current mode of revenue raising that it replaces it , is ceased. Not like those that the GST was supposed to replace but are still in place. Peter Costello has tried half heartedly to keep the B a s t a r d s honest without much success.

So I'll give up now.

I'm just gobsmacked that Truckster has had such self control for a change.

Gday Lucy

In one section of your post you say "It would capture ALL vehicles fueling up and as long as it was tied to a annual roadworthy or across the pits inspection like in the ACT then you would see a rapid reduction on the roads of old, bald tyre, oil spewing, steering worn, rusting hulks that frequent same currently and are down right dangerous."

and then later say "Just because you two capitalist, right wing mothers can aford boats with engines that comply with pollution levels and....."

Contradicting yourself a little?

Cheers Andrew

Geez Andrew

You try and keep this diatribe going all afternoon and see if you can keep up with it.

Aw! mate I contradict, interdict and make-a-dict of myself regularly but thats life in the fast lane for you. (LOL)

Get your Nissan out, hook up the boat (bet it has a BBQ on it) and go for a slow cruise on lake Argyle or wherever it is perfect this time of the year.

Have few of what ever it is you drink, lay back and think of us cootas here in 'mexico'
complying with 10,000,000,000 bleep ant govt regulations.

Hope to be up your way in a year or 2 an will definitely look you up if you are still there.

Ahh dear Lucy Robbo. My boat is compliant with the pollution laws as it can be used in the smallest swimming pools with it's safety paddles as the only means of locomotion. That's how my shoulders are broad enough to carry you mate. LOL

I live on a farm because it has been my place of work since I left school 42 years ago. I have spent time in the city learning as penance at times too, so I see the way people live. My little Merc would use less fuel than your MerJeepney and Moses since the diet is a lot lighter than your dear Lucy.

Using the radial taxing regime you are suggesting makes us poorer just the same - I say radial as it is radial to centres of population, the state capitals, where there is already huge tax shifting to your public transport system, we don't have access to anything like that one. Radial once again further from the capital, the more the registration cost you are wanting to charge us.

I reckon the fuel tax you are suggesting would keep more of the hulks on the raod than fewer. There is already a tax that goes to contribute to roads at national level, then the GST that is progressive on any fuel price increase goes to Nanny, Bracks in our case.

Damn I hate being away and missing these friendly interactions hahahahaha

Lucy remember to take the blue tablets hehehehe

You forgot - and regularly.

Now now Oldplodder. It's a well known fact that there is only one city with good roads in Australia. And only one national disgrace...oops I meant national road.
Our pollies tend not to feel the bumps at 35K feet. Their fuel cards and the comm car fleet don't worry about the cost of fuel or road surfaces so why should we ?
It's a strange thing that my local rep can mail me more than I mail them about the roads etc. Perhaps their 125K printing allowance might have something to do with it ?

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes to all of the above

Oldplodder and Footloose you are also enlightened individuals as to how it is and should be.

With more like you we will have the problems of the world solved tomorrow.

Thanks for joining 'the club'

Its just good to see others on the same page of the book.

"Rego is a state tax. What of those who buy their fuel in different states ? eg if you live in NSW and work across the border."

I can't see the states giving up their rego revenue to a national system where no doubt the gov will dole out the profits as they see fit...

Mind you, it could be the first step in standardising the vehicle standards and evening out the playing field where mods are concerned...

Footy

Under the proposed sytem QLD wouldn't need a 'check system' it would be federal or 'outsourced' to the respective states at a fee.

Its cost neutral/positive to the Govt because they are setting the fee level. Ypu know - 10% - like the GST. We all know what a winner that is.

Home made Bio diesel will drive you to self destruction

Yes the company would pay the levy as its on the fuel - not you.

Tourists. - rip the chit out of their pockets I say

If the little old lady living in the bush is 200 kms from a shop - I bet she is driving something bigger and meaner than a Suzi and has muscles on her muscles.

It would be equitable to all because of the old saying - we are from the govt, trust us.

The state border thing would not exist which is a good idea

and BLUE, you have it one.

Damn good to see two more who like this 'fantastic idea'.

Love your work

I dont know why he did that but if you started a new post to ask him you may get a response!!!! Michael

Because I am member 269 and I can

You haven't been shafted by the Bracks Govt yet - thats to come.

This is just getting you used to it.

So between speed cameras, stamp duty and citylink I haven't been shafted yet... What are those measurements again, 3'x7'x6'... Might as well start digging...

Yeah! know what you mean.

Could you please dig a second one whilst you are at it so I can jump in it to hide from outraged forum contributors.

I just memntioned to JohnR above that original idea of a national Rego funded via fuel usage has a lot of merit as long as everything it replaces is terminated on change over and not left active like the GST replacements.

Roachie, Roachie, Roachie

How many times do I have to tell you - NO first names on the forum as my secret identity will be exposed and my 'privacy' infringed.

The 'forum dogs' are already starting to howl for my blood for supporting such a revolutionary, innovative and progressive 'fantastic idea' that will underpin the Govts overarching 'green paper' policy, which is the downstream 'J' curve effect flow from the Kyoto forum.

The sooner you Crow Eaters are brought on stream via this policy the better it will be for all concerned.

Forgot to mention also that this policy will pick up those bludging pensioners like Willem who already get a old person discount. Forgot about them but thanks for giving me the impetus and motivation to extrapolate lateral thinking to be able to interface and include the aged and infirm in this 'fantastic idea'.

Yep luv your work to Roachie, Keep it up and give me a few more ideas to work with. All efforts appreciated

Re the above follow-up........WTF?????

Is there anybody on this forum who can translate the above Yiddish comments back into Orstralian for me....please....hahahaha

Stop swearing please

Its Federal Govt speak and as you know:

'it takes one to know one'

If you were more attuned to such things you would know.

Maaate, Robbo, I can remember when you used to sign your real name, not hide behind the non-de plume of your Girl.

Boy's Boy's Boy's, you too Aunty lucy !

Your missing to point here you lot, It doent matter how they collect it and if the buckets are roadworthy or not, it wont make any difference, it wont be spent on roads, out of the millions collected about 2% is put back into roads, so the first brave party to put there hand up and spend , say , at least 50% of collected road money back into roads will get my vote !!!
Im not talking about back roads and gravel roads here either, im talking about our main bitumen roads and so called highways.

Dont get me started again LOL

Anyway Aunty, what the hell are you doing on the forum so much today, arent you supposed to be veging out in the waiting room down at that Jeep repair place as usual???
How's the ratio lately, 1 week on the road and 1 week in for repairs still ?

Better bring the ever reliable to KI mate we dont wont to spend the week pushing hahahahaha

Cheers ya favourite nephew Pesty !

Firstly - Cow poo man

I only ever sign my name when It is a serious issue and I am serious which is usually most of the time, however today I thought I would 'float' a JIMBO on a subject dear to everyones heart and man did it tickle a few 'funny bones' .

Some people have no sense of humour at all.

Secondly - Pesty you Idiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiot.

You know that I will be bringing the one and only to KI not some make believe thing like a Nisson etc. (LOL)

And as for the JEEP , if you must know, it came out of the panel beaters today after having a new rear bumber bar fitted and painted.

SWMBO kissed another vehicle in a shopping carpark week ago, $1,500 worth for denting the plastic the size of a tennis ball.

Also there is currently a world wide recall on my model for ball joint replacement.

Guess what? good of Daimler-Chrysler Australia did the 'Que' , 'Duh' thing with the dealer workshop, but after accessing the US website have acknowledged same and are ordering in the part/s.

The dealer told me that the owners always find out about these sort of things first because of the web site/ VIN no search facility that Daimler-Chrysler US provide for purchasers of their product.

Apparently p i s s e s off quite a lot of people in the Daimler-Chrysler Aust setup.

Anyway I am looking forward to meeting you and yours at KI.

You sir! are a cynic

It pays to be a cynic in regards to anything to do with the government. Lucy, please tell me this is a troll.....

Lucy, driver Robbo, you are from the government and here to help us. We know that, end story! We just didn't know ho much you would be an apologist for state governments additional taxing regimes.

Oi! Shoosh!

Stop it immediately, the appologist thing.

Never have been and never will. Hot damn man, my father would be turning in his grave at the thought.

I was just pointing out the 'good things' of such a policy change. No doubt there are one or two not so good things.

Cleaning out that 'wild west' of vehicle registration in SA wouldn't be a bad thing.

It would pull Mitsubishi out of the pooh replacing all the vehicles condemed to the crusher.

That could be their penalty having to replace their vehicles with Mitsubishi's

Sorry, just my imagination running wild.

Think I've proposed enough radical ideas for one day and will now go to tea.

May I enquire as to what town/city in WA you were born in.

Yes it does:

"and we in WA do not need the regulations of the other states anyway ..
it's about time we get away anyway and don't pay for the lazy rest of Australia"

So put your money where your mouth is.

C'mon, don't be bashful, fess up what town/city in WA you were born in

Or are you one of those from 'elsewhere' pretending to be a Sandgroper

WGAF where we are born - Australian on the passport - free to choose where to live

I do because I was born in Southern Cross, raised and educated in Marvel Loch, Southern Cross and Perth and passed my yoboo, hooligan development levels in Perth as well.

So! it P's me off when people start talking the WA 'Secession' road to success.

We live in the 21st century and have to get over such stuff. But thats another issue.

Bet you pull your boat with a nissan.

Then go back there

just giving you some of your own medicine ..
and no .. I do not have a Nissan ..
looks like you put people in boxes quickly ?
or is it just that you need a simple world around you ?
gmd

Ooooh! you are a tetchy pair.

Andrew has a Nissan and you are dead right - simple world for a simple person, especially for one born in WA.

You are welcome :)) ..
I don't understand what a car has to do with an opinion ??
Easy to make quick assumptions .. shows true character ..
gives you the chance to be wrong and admit it .. or not .. rofl
have fun
gmd

Yeah! I know - very remiss of and I won't do it again. Promise

Yeh, Willie, bah humbug, to that one.