UHF Duplex Half Duplex ????

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I have been looking at buying a GME 3400 UHF but am confused about the fact that it is Half Duplex whereas the Uniden UHO15sx which I have also looked at is Full Duplex I think.

Can anyone explain to me in easy language what the difference is between the two modes and is there such a thing as a better option, is one more widely used over the other.

Tried a Google search but too confusing so any help would be appreciated
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Reply By: Robin - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 16:43

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 16:43
No difference in those products

Full duplex means you can send and receive at exactly the same time,
whereas 1/2 duplex means you talk then listen.

The standard house telephone is full duplex, whereas your CB has a press to talk switch hence is only 1 or other (half/duplex).

Or if you like when your arguing with some your both talking and
no-one is listening but I think that is really called no-duplex?

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 17:21

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 17:21
This is actually wrong when you are talking about UHF radios which have two modes duplex and half duplex which is also know as simplex, depending on manufacturer. normal transmissions send and receive on the same channel (simplex) but if you want to use repeater stations you can select duplex which transmits on one channel and recieves on another. duplex operates on channels 1-8 to transmit and receives 30 channels higher i.e 31-38.

Chris
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Follow Up By: Robin - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 19:49

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 19:49
Hi Chris

I stick to my answer , although slang is creeping into our language and I agree that term "Duplex" is used in CB to denote repeater usage.

I used the term "Full Duplex" not duplex.

Simplex is defined as when the tx and rx frequencies are the same , as opposed to reverse repeater operation.

I the example I used the house phone is doing two things at once (duplex) and the CB is only doing one thing at any one time.

The Macquarie dictinary defines duplex "as two identical working parts in a single framework, where one could operate alone"
This is not what happens with a CB in repeater mode, its true defintion is that of half duplex -> "a mode of communications in which a user transmits at one time and receives at another" (Arrl Handbook)

Still , I fear the slang will stick.

Robin Miller

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:06

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:06
A Mobile Phone is an example of a radio that operates full-duplex - it can transmit on one frequency while receiving on another.

OK, to save the specialists adding a clarification, this applied to analogue mobiles - digital mobiles use time division multiplexing.
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Follow Up By: Robin - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:58

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:58
Hi Mike

That time divison multiplexing is a bit hard for the dictionary to process , so we had better not even mention spread spectrum products.

Like was a lot simpler when on my Azden 2m rig it just had a button marked "Repeater".

Robin Miller
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Reply By: joc45 - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 16:48

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 16:48
I haven't looked at their ads, but from definitions;
- Duplex means that you can transmit on one frequency and receive on a different frequency. This allows you to operate through repeaters.
- Half-duplex means that you can transmit or receive, but not both simultaneously
- Full-duplex means that you can transmit and receive simultaneously (as you would with a mobile phone call). I doubt that you would be able to do this on the UHF CB, as these are simply press-to-talk radios, and require much more goodies inside to allow full duplex operation (a duplexor to start with).
Hope this helps
Gerry
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Reply By: Footloose - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 16:49

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 16:49
Unless you're the pedantic or tech type, don't worry. Both brands fulfil essentially the same role. However GME appear to have a better name among the 4wd frat. The 3400 is a very nice, and reliable, UHF tranceiver.
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Reply By: Darian (SA) - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 18:45

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 18:45
As Footloose suggests, the techno babble can at times serve no useful purpose - most of us have simply bought a quality UHF radio for travel comms - we use the appropriate channels as per convention (and the law in some cases) and hit the DUPLEX button when we want to use a repeater (again, in appropriate circumstances (a subject for another time probably).
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Reply By: howie - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:06

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:06
i agree with footloose and darian, i work in comms and full and half duplex in telephone gear is different to u.h.f. meaning.
a telephone which has full duplex can send and receive conversations at the same time.
not to be confused with uhf radios, where duplex refers to sending and receiving on different channels when using a repeater.
most radios brands have duplex, the 3400 is an excellent radio btw
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Reply By: itsdave - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:55

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:55
Thanks to everyone for your input.

Looks like I cant go wrong with either models. My main concern was the half duplex but it sounds like that wont make any difference.

Cheers Dave
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:58

Thursday, Sep 21, 2006 at 20:58
itsdave
Mate I don't think the choice of Uniden would be a good one,I'm working with CBs all the time and every time I work with a truckie or another Pilot that has a Uniden they are hard to understand and sound distorted, Now of course for sure I will get shot down over that statement but I do ask what brand they have and I always get the same answer "Uniden" And they say it was installed by people they bought it from so it's not an antenna issue,And of course they have no idea what they sound like because they are not on the receiving end,I would certainly recommend the
GME Electrophone TX3400 or the ICOM IC400PRO but the Icom is very confusing radio to use if your not use to them , I have an Icom, as for Half Duplex and Full Duplex I think it is a feature for amature operators ,I've never heard the term for CBs , Duplex is for using the repeaters so I don't see what halves and fulls are going to achieve.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:17

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:17
Doug, perhaps it's a matter of whether you perceive your glass as half full or half empty and wish it were full :))
Although they are important terms in telecommunications, to the average 4wd owner they are about as useful as a widget getting loose in your thingamebob.
However
It's essential to know the differences between simplex (talking direct to another station) and duplex (using a repeater to talk to another station) as these terms often appear on a radios display (especially if you hit the wrong button :). Having to refer to the handbook while driving along dodging trucks and roos isn't for everyone.
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