2 dogs killed in van park by 1080 bait

Submitted: Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:13
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This happened only last week during my last prospecting trip in WA.

This was a crying shame. 2 really good dogs, that never got let off thier leads, killed by 1080.

The caravan park is no way to blame for this - let's get that straight for a start. The first dog, a Silky Terrier like mine, picked up the bait "from somewhere" but the owner assured me that it was never off the lead in the park. The 2nd dog died two days later. Again it was never off the lead in the 5 hours it was the park. I saw it taken "for walkies" and I saw it tied up near it's owners van. It was never off it's lead.

These two dogs were camped within 30 metres of each other.

The theory is that "crows pick up the bait and decide they don't like it and drop it". I'm not sure I totally believe this but we did eventually find a dead crow just at the van park gates. Hmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,. The first dog got sick and died due to the initial bait and the second dog may have eaten what was left or ate the vomit from the first dog. Either way they both got "baited" within the van park. Both on leads and both with thier respective owners. How sad and very unlucky can you be!

My little mate will have to get used to a muzzle next year. He ain't gonna like it but after seeing this lot with my own eyes I'm taking no chances.

There is no antidote for 1080 poison.

Do a Google search on it - very interesting stuff. Aerial baiting is common in W.A. and 1080 is the only legal poison allowed. Strychnine is only used on dog traps. 1080 is sodium flouroacetate. It takes very little 1080 to kill a dog. 0.06 mg per kilo of body weight. They put 6mg in each dried meat bait, so just a good lick is enough. My little mate would need only 0.5 mg to see him off.

You've been warned. DO NOT let 'em off the lead - ANYWHERE!!

What really bleep me off was the number of aboriginal dogs wandering all over town. No lead, full of disease and pestering everybody. But the bait got these 2 poor suckers.

Bilbo
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:24

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:24
What's an aboriginal dog?

A friend has a Staffie, and I know what an Alsatian/German Shepherd is, but I've never heard of an aboriginal dog.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:46

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:46
Dogs "belonging" to an aboriginal mob. Usually far too numerous and from my observations, often in ill health.
I'm a dog lover but ..........
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:57

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:57
The town in question is in the WA Goldfeilds. These bush towns usually have an aboriginal village on the outskirts of town. They are often heaving with stray dogs. Aboriginal love owning dogs but rarely ever take care of 'em. They wander all over the place. No lead, mangy, wormy, underfed and a nuisance in general.

It's all too common out there in "The Wild West"

Bilbo

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:19

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:19
Bilbo

Now we are a a dog owner and take her every were

But why don't aboriginal dog die of 1080 or is it we just don't hear of it

Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Banjo (WA) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:31

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:31
We were told that the reason why there are so many 'aboriginal' dogs is that the owners get $25 per dog per week for their care. Maximum of 5 dogs.

5 x $25 = lotsa VB & Winnies, but not much Pal.

Banjo (WA)
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 20:42

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 20:42
Go and have a look at Yuendumu NT , more Dogs than .....humans
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Reply By: Footloose - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:35

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 00:35
Poor little buggars. Their owners would have been heartbroken. Much as I'd love to take our two staffies, they stay home with mum.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:00

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:00
A slow, miserable way for an animal to die :(((
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:38

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:38
As a cautionary note, if one has toddlers of the "I'll try and taste anything to see if it's worthwhile eating" age group, be especially vigilant. 1080 can be just as deadly to humans - and there is no antidote - at all.
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Reply By: Stu-k - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:02

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:02
Seems my neighbourhood dogs may die by a simlar way. The owners seem to think its ok to just let em bark and bark, some of the other neighbours told me their gunna bait em.
I have rang the council before and they do nothing so I guess its only a matter of time.
Sad really.... but what do ya do?
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Follow Up By: cackles - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:40

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:40
I don't care if mine bark, my partner works away and I like the security.
If the neighbours don't like it they might like to try locking they're own animals up, specially CATS!

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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 09:04

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 09:04
Lol ya sound like your from around here. You probably have less security than you think, if you dog always barks who is gunna take any notice when your being robbed.
I thought thats what insurance was for anyways.
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Follow Up By: cackles - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 14:12

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 14:12
As a female being robbed is the least of my concerns.
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 14:35

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 14:35
Fair enough, must be shocking to live your life in fear
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Follow Up By: stephen looking - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 18:29

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 18:29
Stu-k did you ring the council about the barking dogs? or did you ring the council about the illegal actions that your neighbours are going to take by poisiong animals?
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 18:51

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 18:51
I rang about the barking dogs thought i could save the dogs lives before they got baited, seems not. Councils view is keep a record for 2-3 weeks of their barking and then it goes to court blar blar blar, doesn`t matter how many ppl complain its still a court thing.
If ppl just had more consideration for other ppl it wouldn`t be an issue, it sucks that ppl are so self centred in both cases.
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:46

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:46
Yep...we had a bit of a stressful time whilst travelling throught WA this year with our mate in tow. She couldnt understand why we would want to tie her up. The missus had nightmares about the dog picking up a bait. I kept her(the dog that is) on a lead 99% of the time and we all came through unscathed, thank goodness. Have decided now to have someone house sit the dog when we go on holidays next time.

I noticed when camped in the CP at Menzies the number of Blackfella dogs wandering the streets with their owners and have not heard of them dying from baits. maybe they are immune to them...lol

If you ever call in at Cotton Creek Community(Parngurr) you will find about 200 dfogs in that small community. One bloke had 30 dogs!!! They feed them camel meat.

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Reply By: Member - John L G - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 11:11

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 11:11
Bilbo

I did a trip the other year from Twilight Cove along the Baxter Cliffs toward Israelite and decided to ring CALM regarding the policy on dogs.
Whilst a fair bit of that is State Park, the ranger didn't come right out and say that dogs were banned however they do have extensive baiting programmes in most state parks to keep the unwanted critters in control and he warned of those dangers.

I was mindful of this when we travelled however I'm fortunate in that my mate "George", a Maremma Sheepdog simply will not eat food unless I provide it. Didn't train him that way but seems a natural thing and will often leave a meal untouched for a day before he eats. Strange when I think that most dogs I've owned over the years devour anything, especially kelpies and labs.

I lost a Kelpie once in Perth, poisoned by a neighbour who had done the same to other pets in the neighbourhood and it's not a nice way for an animal to die.

My thoughts are with the owners
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 15:07

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 15:07
G'day Bilbo,

Sorry to hear of the drama with those doggies...bloody terrible for their owners.

Off topic now......how's the 6.5 going these days? We haven't heard from you for several months and I've been wondering how it's all been going for you?

Cheers

Roachie
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Reply By: Bilbo - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 20:57

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 20:57
To all,

Aboroginal dogs are not immune to it and do get caught by it. We just don't hear about 'em. Working dogs on stations get caught too if the owner is unfortunate.

1080 is lethal to humans, but you'd have to eat about 7 kgs of infected meat at one sitting for there to be any reaction. Most humans get 1080 poisoning by not using protective gear when making up the baits. Any animal is very susceptible to 1080 poison, but meat eaters are the most susceptible by a long way with dogs the most susceptible. It's all on "Google". Herbivores and birds are at least risk. It is used for eradicating possums where it's mixed with cereal and not meat as it is for dogs.

It passes through the food chain and a dog can be poisoned by eating the carcass of a previoulsy poisoned animal - or the vomit of a poiosned animal.

But for Roachie about the V8 see the seperate thread.

Bilbo
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:42

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:42
They've been baiting for foxes in Kuringai Chase National Park and reserves by burying baits.

They put signs up banning dogs from any firetrails in the area for a month.

The baiting seems to work - since they've started baiting, the increase in Lyrebirds, scub Turkey and Whip birds is very noticeable.
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Reply By: Turbo - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 23:58

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 23:58
Hi,Bilbo how do you know it was 10/80 ?. did a vet do autopsy. cheers Dave
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 18:22

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 18:22
Turbo,

I'm surmising it was 1080 because there's a MAJOR prob in the WA Goldfeilds right now with wild dog packs. Dingoes 'n half breeds. There are major baiting programmes everywhere out there right now. As a 20 year veteran of the WA Goldfields I've never seen so many "Beware 1080 signs" or heard so many reports from the bush about wild dogs. It's a serious problem. Added to which 1080 is the only legal method of dog baiting. Strychnine used to be used in the old days but the use of that is now restricted to the jaws of dingo traps. This ensures "a quicker more humane death" (thier words not mine) for the trapped dingo isntead of dying of thirst or cehwing its own leg off!

Based on the way I saw the 2 dogs die and that 1080 is the only legal way of doing it, I'd bet my left nut it was 1080.

Bilbo
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