No choice of engine oils

Submitted: Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 09:55
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I was wondering why the motor oil companies bother to place TV ads to encourage us to use their brand of oil. By us I mean those who have their vehicle serviced by an authorised dealer rather than do-it-yourselfers. My experience with both GMH & Toyota products is that they use whatever they prefer irrespective of if you say I would like you to use XYZ oils. And a particular manufacturers dealer at one place does not use the same oil as a similar brand dealer in another place. So when you are travelling extensively around Australia your vehicle finishes up with all sorts of engine oil being used. Which can't be good for it.
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Reply By: Max - Sydney - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:17

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:17
Arkay

The main thing is that the oils used are the correct viscosity rating (15W-40 or what ever) and the compliance to at least the letters that show what specification (CD or SF etc depending on whether diesel or petrol), as per your handbook.

If a dealer does that, your engine will not suffer. Do it yourselfers have fun debating the enhancements beyond that, and that's really about how much more value you get above the minimum and whether it is worth the extra cost.

As for why the oil companies advertise - that's like asking why you keep getting phone calls from polite people living overseas offering all sorts of wonderful benefits. A curse upon them all!! Just read the ads on ExplorOz - they at least are finely targeted and may be of interest.

But - provided you have got minimum specification oils put in your car by dealers who have stamped your book your car and resale will be fine.

Max
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Follow Up By: PhilZD30Patrol - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 17:55

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 17:55
Max I agree.

I am not a mechanic but I did work at an engine reconditioner place for about 18 months.

The mechanics their always said that it what really mattered was

1. always use the grade specified by the engine manufacturer. As you wrote, the correct numbers and letters.

2. never ever exceed the time or kilometres specified, e.g. 6 months or 10,000 kms which ever comes first.

3. always replace the oil filter when changing oil.

Obviously, oil levels should be checked weekly at least and and topped up as needed.

High costs fancy oils and expensive additives made very little difference and only helped make someone rich.

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Phil
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:55

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:55
I am lucky the dealer who services my Toyota uses the same Castrol oil I would use anyhow. The dealer must use the correct oil so no big deal. But take your point, perhaps the oil companies are trying to convince the dealers as well..?? LOL

I hated the Mobil One they use in my Merc, it's too thin and after 5000km's the engine get's noisy on start up but not while the oil is new. I would prefer a slightly thicker oil but didn't have a choice unless I did it myself.

The subject of OILS can go on forever, ask various engine builders on the use of synthetic oil vs mineral during break in periods, or semi-synthetic etc etc, it's a topic for a long night with quite a few beers.

What's your favourite OIL..??
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 11:04

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 11:04
Mercury Cider
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Follow Up By: davros_who - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:15

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:15
Lovely stuff that Mercury. Just can't get it everywhere like you can with the other brand that I don't like. Too sweet. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:25

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:25
I'll go with the mercury draught..had some in Port Douglas not long back.
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Reply By: Pavo - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:51

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:51
I can agree with most of your post, but how do you come to the the conclusion - "Which can't be good for it."

I've used Valvoline Super Diesel, Penzoill Long Life, Castrol RX Super in my current 4wd and I don't know what was used before 50,000kms on it. I can't see how my engine would be in better condition now if I had only used 1 of those brands.

I'm no expert at all on this, but all the oils I use are suitable for my car and are of a good quality.

So my question is, how bad could it be to use different brands of good quality motor oil for different oil changes? Specifically, can I expect my engine wear to increase, or my turbo bearings' life to shorten? By how much?

Pete
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:31

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:31
I think what Arkay means is that you were always supposed to use the same engine oil at one time rather than mix it. I think reality is if you are using good quality engine oil rated the same or better it shouldn't matter. I think those days are passed. My old mechanic used to recommend Valvoline Semi-Synthetic and always left me with some spare oil to use when I needed to top up. None of my current vehicles ever seem to need a top up so I have accumulated a fair whack of oil with no real use.

I think the more interesting topic when it comes to oil is the viscosity. Thin oil vs Thicker oil etc. Thinner oil improves economy but I often wonder about it when the going get's tough.??
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Follow Up By: Pavo - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:37

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:37
Of course...I totally missed that. Thank you.

Pete
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Follow Up By: hl - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:47

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:47
Hi,
Engine oils MUST be compatible to the point where you can mix them. So, it certainly won't hurt if brands change every oil change or if you top it up with a different oil. Synthetic oils are much more resilient under high stress, hence the very low viscosity available. They will provide much quicker lubrication at startup, however, if your donk is very old and worn to the point that you can see past the pistons into the sump :-), you may have problems getting enough oil pressure with Mobil1 0W50.....
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:13

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 13:13
I have always used Penrite oil in my 2 pajeros over the last 20 years.
Oil is a personel thing.
But my mechanic has changed oil brands about 5 times, and the dealers where using something different again when they were under warranty.

So when I get the occasional service done by my mechanic, I just have a couple of bottles of my penrite in the car for them to use. Was the same with the dealer.
Checked it with them first that they would be happy to use my oil, and they said OK.
Otherwise they wouldn't have got my business.
Of course the real pessimists would say they just put my oil in thier own car or drain and use what they want :o)
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Reply By: anglepole - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 20:03

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 20:03
Hi Arky,

For the last 25 years my vehicles have been serviced by Holden dealers.

I have always supplied my own engine oil. They have never opposed this practice and been very positive about it.

I have now a Nissan and the dealer I have contacted is happy for me to provide my oil. Be sure of course that it is of the correct grade and viscosity as recommended by the manufacturer.
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Reply By: Arkay - Adelaide - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 23:30

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 23:30
Thanks for the interest and replies forumites. It seems that rather than oils 'aint being oils, in fact oils are just that - oils. Agree though that it important that you consistently use the right basis oil i.e. viscosity rating, petrol / diesel approved, etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 09:36

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 09:36
Oils is oils hahaaha
Have 5 vehicles to service, Diesel Cruiser, Petrol Cruiser, Diesel Hilux, Diesel Ford truck, and Falcon car and just bought 205 litre of Fuchs 15w40 all purpose fleet oil and they all get the same.

Cheers Pesty
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