Diesel Lift Pumps - Useless Informatio Untill You Need It
Submitted: Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 20:19
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Member - 'Lucy'
Evening All
I was at a 4x4 specialist
shop on Thursday and whilst there spotted what I thought was one of Roachies - twin cam, 60Hp, 1500 ft lb, overhead rail, low torque, 12,000v, rotary, orgasmic - in line diesel fuel pumps that he has. (Always has two of everything for redundancy purposes apparently)
Turns out that only Roachie has these and this one was a petrol thingo anyway.
The dude asks why I enquired and I told him, "to match up with Roachie of course"
Nah! just wanted to help the diesel lift pump a bit with better fuel/flow/delivery to same.
Well! it seems that on a 1HZ the fuel pump is a lift pump. Yep! we all knew that, however he then tells me that the 'lift' component of the said pump is set by the factory/pump
shop technician.
It can be adjusted by these people and further to the equation the 'correct' setting can change due to normal wear and tear leading to a 'pump overhaul'.
Now this is the bit amazed me a tad. It seems it wouldn't matter if you had a fire brigade truck hooked up to the system - in line to assist with delivery, the mother of a diesel fuel pump on the engine will only let 'X' amount through.
'X' = the technician setting.
So for those of you have perceived fuel delivery problems, this may be a factor to check.
Regards
Ken Robinson
Reply By: joc45 - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 20:59
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 20:59
Ken,
I was told by a diesel pump service org that with the rotary pumps, (not talking about these new-fangled electronic thingys), about 90% of the fuel returns to the
tank under normal running loads. So a lift pump would not probably achieve much.
Tho, I was also told that an extra inline filter (CAV, whatever) tended to restrict the flow to rotary pumps, causing problems with mixture. So probably a lift pump in this case would prob be helpful.
Just my two bob's worth....
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:06
Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 01:06
Joc
Well its something like that.
Firstly - The Rotary pump on the Troopy 1HZ motor does indeed feed excess fuel back to the
tank and does a damn fine job of it.
Secondly - The aforementioned pump is a lift pump and has this 'low presure' facility which is allegedly set/adjusted by the pump techo's (So I have been told and verily believe)
Thirdly - It is further alleged that the said lift pump thingy setting, controls the maximum amount of fuel that the 'high presure' (injectors) side of the pump gets.
Fourthly - No amount of extra devices between the tanks and that lift facility is going to change that maximum fuel inlet setting in the lift pump.
Now in my case the good old 1HZ was hitting a 'brick wall' at 3000 rpm even with an after market turbo.
So the fix ended up being the following:
(1) Remove the OEM twin filter pack
(2) Replace with CAV agglomerator pack and filter pack. Problem solved.
Having read about Mr MUSTHAVE Everything and Anything for and on his Nissan ie Roachie, having some facncy extra in line fuel pump to fix some inadequacy with that thing he drives, I thought I would check it out. (always looking for that little extra something)
The guy I spoke to gave me the above drum and said I would be wasting (in my circumstances) good money chasing something that was unattainable other than having a pump techo 'crank' the pump up a tad or two.
Other makers vehicles maybe different the way they work, its just something that maybe of interest to others.
Cheers
K
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 09:15
Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 09:15
Hey Lucy, you drop-kick.......
I didn't fit that new 12 cylinder lift pump to get anymore neddies out of the already massively powerful TD42TD donk....only fitted it to ensure there was adequate fuel "available" to meet the OE pump's hungry demands. I read on this
forum where if you fit a larger
tank (ie: more vertical height for fuel to overcome) and/or if you fit additional filter/s etc (ie: more "resistence" for the OE pump to overcome)......then this extra little bit of whizz-bangery may just be of some assistance. For the sake of less than 100 bills, I thought it was a reasonable investment. It also overcomes any issues of a slight air leak within the system (like what occured on
mine when the seal at the bottom of CAV was a bit less than 100%).
Now, you'd better get back to that bucket of rust of yours and continue to try to make sure it's ready for it's overseas journey!!!! ;-))
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 15:10
Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 15:10
You! Sir
are nothing more than a Nissan driving/owning Neanderthal.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 13:28
Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 13:28
Always thought the lift pump was the hand/thumb pump that primes the diesal injector pump
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 14:05
Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 14:05
Davoe,
The one you speak of is (AFAIK) called......wait for it......the "priming pump" ...haha
Most diesel injector pumps (I'm treading on eggshells here cos I surely ain't no expert) have a "lift-pump" fitted to them. The lift pump's job is to draw the fuel from the
tank....then the injector pump forces the fuel under considerable pressure, into the donk. Some vehicles have a "lift pump" in or near the
tank. The Patrol doesn't have that and I just wanted to put in this little 3psi pump to help get the diesel up to the front of the truck and through the filters etc.
I'll stand corrected if/when somebody with more knowledge chimes in with a correction....;-))
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 14:16
Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 14:16
Site Link
Here is a piccy of the pump......
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 23:22
Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 23:22
Its not often that you make sense Mr Roach but this time you are spot on the money.
Couldn't have elucidated it better myself.
Can't believe I just wrote those two lines either. (LOL)
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 09:45
Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 09:45
Drop kick ROFLMAO
Neanderthal ROFLMAO
Its gunna be a fun overseas trip I can see that hahahahha
OK as I believe it in my 2H, is that the hand priming pump is a manual operation of the normal lift pump to help with bleeding the system if it becomes empty, it is mounted on the side of the lift pump, anyway it works ok if I need it LOL
Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 11:24
Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 11:24
Now don't you worry about that
young fella - The O/Seas trip will be just fine as I have been to the 'clinic' and had my anti Nissan driving Neanderthal shots and have been issued with heaps of back up booster pills (not pumps)
Now back to business at hand
On the the 2H is the pump an inline pump or rotary.
The inline pumps are the ones that usually have the priming device on/at the pump whereas the rotary ones (from what I have observed - can be corrected) appear to have a priming arrangement away from the pump - usually somewhere near the filter pack.
The actual 'lift capacity' once again being a low pressure facility on
the entrance side of the pump.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 14:03
Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 14:03
Firstly I wont need anti nissan pills as Ive grown a natural imunity to them, secondly we out number them for O/S trip anyway, 5 - 6.
BUT we should be worried about sinking as we are on the same boat as the 4.5 ton trol!!!
Now, yes inline pump, and low pressure lift/
hand pump unit is on the side of the injector pump.
Cheers Pesty
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