Programmed Police Frequency

Submitted: Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:13
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Hi all, Just wondering if anyone in Victoria has problems scanning the preset police channel frequencies seems as though they have disappeared. I know they have been trialing a new communication system just wondering if this is the reason we can no longer hear them. Cheers Worm
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Reply By: Exploder - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:16

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:16
Yeah they have gone Digital or something now, the new radios are worth like $3000.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:18

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:18
its called trunking(if i recall Correctly)?....very hard to even scan.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:22

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:22
They want to beat people up without being overheard.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:46

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:46
That's a bit harsh Mike. Remember there a few d#ckheads behind the wheel of 4wd's but that doesn't make us all the same??
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:59

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 13:59
Quote from Terry Lane in today's Age:

"In the past few years, three police squads (the drug squad, the major crime squad and now the armed offenders squad) have been found so corrupt they had to be abolished."

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Article from a quite different (and possible the most unjust case I have come across in Western society) story in the same Age:

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How many "isolated examples" would you like?

All power to Christine Nixon - may she rid us of the rot.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 14:01

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 14:01
They want to beat people up without being overheard.

Bloody oath and what’s wrong with that, Giving some of these little DI*kheads a good clip around the ear hole will achieve a lot more than a slap on the wrist in the courtroom.
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Follow Up By: apriti00 - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 15:26

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 15:26
I have full respect for Police and the Law, however Police are not above the Law no matter what, they should set an example to the community and if this is how they behave let them be prosecuted to the full extent.
Walter
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:30

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:30
>>I have full respect for Police and the Law
been a while since you dealt with them hasnt it?

>>> however Police are not above the Law no matter what
ROTFLMAO!
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 18:35

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 18:35
What! They hold the mike in front of their victim while they beat him?

Ian
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:14

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:14
People who stick shotguns in peoples faces deserve to have the crap smashed out of them.
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Reply By: markeaust - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:00

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:00
Worm and others watching this post.....

For the past 18 months or so the Police and Fire Brigade in Melbourne have been trialling the new MMR radios (Metropolitan Mobile Radio) which is a new UHF encrypted trunking system. For the duration of the trial, they were simulcasting on both the encrypted digital system AND the old analogue system. A couple of months ago, the analogue system was 'tuned off' and both the police and fire services are now fully encrypted. The Metropolitan Ambulance Service are also to go onto this system with in the next year or so.

The purpose of the encryption, (whilst some 'cynics' may assume that they want to beat people up without being overheard) is to prevent those complete MORONS with $50 scanners who scan the frequencies and then turn up at various scenes making complete nuisances of themselves and hindering those, such as the fire services and the ambulance from doing their job effectively. In this, I include the media, who, whilst they have the right to report on events, have NO right to impede those trying to do their job. Take it from me, all the emergency services jobs are becoming more complicated in nature and the last thing needed at difficult scenes is someone shoving a bright light with a camera attached in one's face. Would you like an Intensive Care Paramedic being hassled by some gong-banger with a scanner, whilst he is calculating drug doses for your pain relief or the anaesthetic he is about to perform on you? I certainly wouldn't. It's hard enough doing all this at 3am anyway.

Mike, I would hope that if you are ever in the situation of requiring help from these emergency services in a potentially life threatening circumstance, you would also appreciate the need for these persons to do their job without hinderence. The encrypting of their radios is simply a small step towards this goal.

I agree with some previous posts, that there are a few rotten apples amongst the bunch who should be sought out and have the full force of the law brough against them, but the VAST majority of these people are doing a very difficult job, which, by and large, is a service to the community. Whilst I didn't read the links shown, I would imagine these would be from media sources, where it would be in their financial interest to 'sensationalise' the facts to sell more papers. When you have been involved in some of these events, then read about them in the paper, often the 'facts' bear little resemblence to the actual circumstances of the case. Don't blindly believe everything that you read in the papers! Also these particular 'squads' that you mention, make up a 'microscopic' percentage in terms of numbers in the poice force.

I know that everyone has a right to their opinion, and there will always be those who HATE the police or any other form of authority, but as another poster suggested, there are a few morons who drive 4WD's and we, as a group, generally dislike being 'lumped' into the same category as them.

Cheers,

Mark
...who is looking forward to the commencement of the NON-SCANNABLE ambulance frequencies!
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:16

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:16
Mark, well said.
I was once an accidental witness to the arrest of an armed murderer.(NSW)
The next week I was talking to the local head PooBah of the boys in blue on another matter and I mentioned it.
He was estatic that there had been no press coverage, as it was part of an ongoing operation. Obviously they weren't using non encrypted radio comms.

Personally I don't want to know what the police are doing. It doesn't concern me. Life is dismal enough without hearing that someone has just topped themselves down the end of the road etc etc etc.

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Follow Up By: Worm73 - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:24

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:24
Thanks Mark that was the answer I was looking for. As you can see I did not reply to other follow ups for the reasons you had just stated..... Speaking also from experience being an ex member of Victoria Police the sensationalism in the media is just unbelievable. There were many instances whilst in the police force that when reading the following days media reactions All I could do was laugh as it was all Bull bleep that had been printed........ There is good and bad in all people and in all roles of employment. Tell you what when I need some assistance or my 3 year old son is in trouble I don't have any problem with calling the Boys in Blue.
Cheers Worm
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:31

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:31
I'm not aware there is any concern the fire brigade or ambulance service are abusing the law right, left and centre, are you?

As far as I know the only concern is about the Victorian Police - and there certainly seems to be a significant concern there. Perhaps you would rather it wasn't discussed or investigated but down that road lies even more of the abuse anyone who has any connection with the situation is already aware of - who polices the police...? And are they so far above the law we are not even permitted to discuss it?

I suggest you read the links I posted - it may, but I doubt it, challenge your complacency.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:38

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:38
>There is good and bad in all people and in all roles of employment.

Of course. But there is endemic, entrenched corruption and abuse in some occupations too. Why do you think a _woman_ from another state was brought in to head the Victorian Police - I don't remember Paul Mullett cheering over that appointment.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Worm73 - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:40

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:40
Mike Don't worry along with I reckon 99% of people we all hope to God the corrupt no good power hungry coppers get there day in court. There is no excuse for Coppers to be corrupt we the public put a lot of faith in these people. As I have stated I was one of them and can hold my head high knowing that I did nothing wrong while out trying to make the streets safe for people like you and your family.
Cheers Worm
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Follow Up By: Tim@Stratford - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:43

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:43
Mike and others,

Let's not forget the 'big picture' - three members of the Armed Offenders Squad (Victoria Police) have been suspended (with pay) pending an investigation. They have not been charged as yet so to be fair we shouldn't convict them just yet.

Victoria Police is made up of almost 13,000 members - three suspended isn't bad.

My 2c.

Tim
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:45

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:45
Thanks for that Worm.

I really hope you are right. No one expects police to be angels - we understand it's a tough job and you can't offer a "nice cup of tea" to some bleep with a knife in the hope he'll put it down - but, bloody hell, Vic Pol have overstepped the mark and they need to clean up their act.

Go well Worm

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:48

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 16:48
Why do you think a _woman_ from another state was brought in to head the Victorian Police

Just wondering why you need to highlight the sex of the person brought in to head the Vic police.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 17:03

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 17:03
>Just wondering why you need to highlight the sex of
>the person brought in to head the Vic police.

Because all police forces are, intrinsically, male dominated institutions with a very macho perspective on the world. Women, on the whole, do not fit into that environment well and have to become pseudo males to have much chance of acceptance. Because they are outside the core they are less susceptible to corruption and less pressured to be "one of the blokes". Additionally putting a female in charge of such a macho institution is something of a "slap in the face" to many men.

I reckon Ms Nixon must be one tough cookie and I wish her well.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 17:06

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 17:06
Fair enough.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 17:21

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 17:21
>>> I reckon Ms Nixon

I doubt it is actually a female.
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Follow Up By: markeaust - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:04

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:04
I fairly much agree with everything said here except for the "endemic corruption and abuse". I work very closely with Police EVERY DAY and I fail to see it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist and I'm not saying that those who are guilty of violence, corruption or any other such abuse of power should not be dealt with appropriately. I also don't feel compacent about corruption, but, as someone here pointed out, there are nearly 13,000 members of the Victoria Police and if this corruption and abuse was as endemic as you seem to think, Mike, surely there would at least be some personal examples from others on this forum, wouldn't there? Speak up those who have been bashed by the police.......(not just annoyed at speed camera fines or such...). Perhaps there would be a community completely out of control??

Nowhere did I say that you were not allowed to discuss this issue, Mike, but when you do, be prepared to rationally discuss it with those who may have differing opinions, which just may be more informed than yours, which seem to be based soley on what you read in the media.

I did have a quick look at the articles you posted and on the surface, the claims appear justified, however, I still support my main point that these are isolated incidents in a 'sea' of support, community awareness, appropriate application of the law, and a respect for the community as a whole, often in very challenging circumstances. Additionally, I would bet that there is a great deal of information conveniently omitted from these reports to satisfy the papers' readability and sensationalism requirements - even The Age.

I would also be interested to hear where your information on the purported reason for the appointment of an 'interstate female'. The Age Perhaps?? It is common practice in many organisations to look further afield for appropriate appointments, based on qualifications, track record, experience etc.. However, I too support her 'push' to weed out the bad eggs. I would hope any Chief Commissioner would do the same. I'm sorry you feel such utter animosity for the Police, as I only feel animosity towards those who do the wrong thing, just as I feel animosity for those selfish 4WDers who go about ripping up the bush with no concern for the tracks, environment or those who may wish to visit areas after them...but I don't generalise that to a whole community which, on the whole I feel is fairly responsible.

I hope this helps justify my position. Feel free to continue this healthy discussion to your hearts content, but you will not convince me that the vast majority of Police are corrupt, sorry.

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:35

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:35
>I work very closely with Police EVERY DAY and I fail to see it.

You think they would tell you? :) "'ello Mark, we did alright today mate, $5000 in used $50s" - I don't think so.

>endemic as you seem to think, Mike,

It's not just me who thinks it.

>surely there would at least be some personal examples from others
>on this forum, wouldn't there? Speak up those who have been bashed
>by the police

There probably are some but most people have enough sense to keep their mouths closed, try talking to a few people who have made a formal complaint against police… many of them regret it. Most people don’t share your cosy relationship with police.

>but you will not convince me that the vast majority of Police are corrupt

I don't think _anyone_ believes the "vast majority" are corrupt, just a large enough number to be more than the level which must be expected in any police force - three major squads disbanded because of corruption? Coincidence, do you think…?

I doubt whatever I, or anyone, said would convince you.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: markeaust - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 13:48

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 13:48
Fair enough, Mike. Thank you for your informed ideas filled with personal experience and 'facts'.

It has been enlightening.

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:20

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:20
>>> In this, I include the media, who, whilst they have the right to report on events,

They arent that inbred that they honestly think that this will stop the media?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:40

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:40
No It won't, but it may change the legalities of publishing stuff that isn't meant for publication.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:47

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:47
so changing radio frequencies will do that, or just creating a law/changing a law would do that??

As it is, the only people this affects are people with scanners.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:55

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:55
Truckster, before you could listen but if you used the info to do something eg crime, it was illegal. I think a lot of people got around that. The courts didn't see it as that big a deal unless it was added to other more serious crimes. I suspect that the courts may now say well its illegal as the messages are encrypted.
Technically its not hard to decode the new stuff. But you'd really want to have a reason to go through all that hassle.
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Follow Up By: markeaust - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 17:17

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 17:17
The media are already complaining to the Police media section that they can no longer scan the frequencies. The encryption that has been employed is of quite a high level and whilst there will be computer and electronics/communications boffins who will eventally crack the encryption, it would take quite some effort and time. Well beyond the means of you local ambulance chasing scanner nut.

Truckster, it isn't simply a matter of 'changing frequencies', it is a much more sophistocated technology. And, yes, the media may eventually find other more 'sneaky' ways to cover these types of events...we'll see. 'Inbred media'...interesting thought....?!?!

Personally, I have no beef with those who want to listen to the police, fire or ambulance if it is purely for percieved "entertainment" value (though, personally I couldn't think of anything more boring after having to listen to a radio all day and night at work). As I have stated previously, I do get irritated when do-gooders scan the frequencies, then turn up at scenes and make a nuisance of themselves.

It will be interesting to see whether it effects the sales of these CB's with the extra scan freqeuncies as I would imaging that the most commonly scanned stuff would be the police.
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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 18:39

Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 18:39
I am not employed by any Police Service, however my job does require Police co-operation at various times and from what I have witnessed the transfer to digital encoding is long overdue.

Serial crims are invariably equipped with scanners so as to avoid apprehension.

Ian
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Reply By: greydemon - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 18:23

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 18:23
So does this mean that the Tow-truck vultures won't turn up 10 minutes before the Police and Ambulance any more?
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Follow Up By: markeaust - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 18:29

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 18:29
This has not been an issue for several years now as all towing is done by allocation by the VP comms centre...no longer first in best dressed arrangements.

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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 21:35

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 21:35
Noticed the same thing - used to hit the scan button when sitting in peak hour traffic for some "local colour". As some one else said pretty depressing really.

With 88 programable channels available on the Icom it would be good to replace police/MFB etc with something interesting. Any suggestions?

Adrian
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