Twin cab choise

Submitted: Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:47
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I'm in the market for new car and can't decide between the new Navara 2.5TD or the Hilux 3.0TD. On paper the Navara wins but as yet I haven't driven either. One advantage the Hilux has is the space for a second battery, but it also looses on price. So it's a big ask for a Toyota man to say I think I'll go for the Navara, as it's rated to 3t for towing.

What do you guys think is best for a everyday run-a-round with some towing duties?

And no, I'm not getting rid of the Cruiser. I need to get rid of an old Falcon and though a twin cab would be good.
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Reply By: Member - len W (NSW) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:54

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:54
hi there i dont know if this will help you or not or maybe you can talk to this guy

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Reply By: Kev M - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:54

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:54
Don't forget to look at the new Tritons, They now have a 3.2TD CRD.

Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 16:11

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 16:11
I think the Hilux has a new contender for ugliest car ever made


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Reply By: Notso - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:59

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:59
I ended up with the Triton,

Handles well, smoother ride than either the Navara or the Hilux. Tows 2.3 tonnes with 230kg ball weight.

Goes well, heaps of grunt.
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Reply By: camship - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 13:19

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 13:19
Its a personal choice thing.
Hilux resale tends to be best, then Nissan , others, others, and Mitsubishi.
The Hilux as of sept06 has an upgraded diesel 126kw.
Anyway, make your own descision, people that own a particular one will be very biased generally.
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Reply By: camwill69 - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 14:46

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 14:46
Hi Mr Green Cruiser,
My thoughts and my thoughts only is that the vehicles are very even in quality and usability. Just the service on the Nissan is suspect.
I have just traded D22 series 2 STR navara for a new SR5 Hilux due to that fact. The Nissan service has been appalling, But I am yet to be able to comment on the service from Toyota. Just the experience of buying a vehicle has been better to date with the Toyota dealer.
Also have a D22 98 and a 2005 4.2td Patrol and buy the end of the year I hope that all will be replaced after my experience with Nissan. All will be replaced with Toyota's if the current service from the dealer continues.
I will never own another Nissan again after many years dealing with the same Nissan dealer and buying all Nissan's to be treated in this way is just WRONG.
Regards,
Camwill69
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:59

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 15:59
Can't (and won't try to) comment on which is best. Suspect it just comes down to personal choice and what your 'hot buttons' are.

I've had a new TD manual since the day they were released. It has done a bit over 40K, including GRR, Kalumburu Road, Mitchell Plateau, Bungle Bungles, Cape Leveque etc. All this was towing a 1500KG camper trailer and a big load in the back. Vehicle went great and returned about 12 litres per 100K on bitumen and a bit under 14 litres per 100K on the dirt.

I've had 2 warranty issues:
1. The clutch slipped a little when it was a couple of months old. Big load, starting uphill. Took it to the Toyota dealer and the workshop manager came for a drive with me. We tried everything to try to replicate the problem, but couldn't. I said 'well I know what a slipping clutch feels and smells like and I'm not happy with it'. He immediately said 'fair enough we'll order the parts and fit a new clutch. Which they did the following week.

2. One of the metal clamps on the passenger side CV boot kept coming off. It was replaced 2 or three times. It came off again on the Kimberley trip. In Darwin I had it fixed, but it was off again within 50KM. They couldn't find an underlying problem, but after talking to Toyota Australia, they agreed to fit a complete new front drive, CV etc. Problem was, the part would take over a week to get there. I didn't want to wait, so we did some temp repairs with tie wire, and headed off. Toyota arranged for the parts to be sent to Darwin. Once we got back in telephone range (4 weeks later), there was a message saying Bridge Toyota in Darwin had the parts. Work was done when we got there and has been fine since.

This is either a bad story (2 problems with a new vehicle in 12 months) and the glass is half empty. Or it is a good story. When problems occurred (and they will occasionally), Toyota backed the product with their warranty without any drama so the glass is half full. You choose which way you want to view it.

The Hilux is a very comfortable vehicle with ample power. For serious off roading, the IFS and leaf springs have limitations, but all similar vehicles have the same issues. I've done a lot of mods on mine and there are plenty available if you want them and have the money.

This is my Hilux experience, but as I said at the start, I'm not claiming it is better or worse than the Navara (or any other). Just a little different.

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Reply By: itsdave - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 15:59

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 15:59
Ive had my Navara now for a couple of weeks and boy am I rapt with it. Bought the 2.5 T/D and cant fault it, fuel economy both towing and not is excellent.
4X4 Mags October issue has judged it ute of the year ahead of the Triton and Hilux.
Infact the Hilux came in either 3rd or maybe 4th. Could be worth having a read of the mag.

Cheers Dave
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 16:14

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 16:14
Go and drive them both.. that usually will make your mind up for u.
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 16:38

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 16:38
The best value for money twin cab ute at the moment would have to be the Triton. Rear leg room, sturdy chassis, good front recovery points, excellent approach & departure, ample power & possibly the best handling with it's coil over shocks. The electric limited slip diff lock for $500 is a bonus too for those getting into the serious stuff. The Hilux is probably running 3rd to the Nissan & Triton at the moment yet they ask so much more. If people could get over their Mitsubishi pedjudice the advanced looks may just grow on them ;-)
Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 17:06

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 17:06
Only possible negative for the Triton is no Auto (Yet).
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 17:19

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 17:19
>>pedjudice the advanced looks may just grow on them
Is that code for ITS UGLY...??
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:40

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:40
The unfortunate thing for Mitsubishi is their cars need to be twice as good as Totyota's to sell half as many. First impressions are showing the Triton to be a better all round offroad ute than the Hilux yet peoples predjudice will see it religated to relitively low sales.
As for looks the Hilux is butt ugly right from the front bumper to the oversized doors where the Tritons futuristic lines are questionable only in the middle. Then again anyone who primarily chooses a car on it's looks instead of it's features has missed the point of a 4x4 in the first place. (Triple chrome plated hub caps will not help you get up a steep hill ;-) & no it's not code for ITS UGLY......they are just a little ahead of their time for the conservative 4x4 bunch.
Lets hope they eventually fit the sequential shift auto box out of the Pajero. Was mighty impressed with the smooth changes offroad, particually the engine braking in 1st low.
Cheers Craig.........
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Reply By: Barnesy - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 19:39

Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 19:39
Be wary of tow ratings and take them with a grain of salt. I wouldn't be towing anything that weighs more than the car itself, regardless of the manufacturers claims.

Haven't got the exact figures in front of me but from memory the f250 is rated to tow 3t also. I know which i would trust out of navara or f250 with a heavy load.

Barnesy
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:12

Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:12
Couldn't agree more.

Exactly the same applies to load ratings. I sometimes wonder how they dream these up.
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