Myth Busted

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:25
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"Petrol prices rise before a long weekend or the start of school holidays"

I had always thought, and been reminded by my fellow Forumites, that this was true. Indeed it was virtually an immutable law of nature since the dawn of time hahaha

Guess what. We're all wrong. Yep, we've been labouring under this delusion for too long.

I've just watched a news report with the Boss (chairman/CEO/whatever) of Shell who quite categorically, and with a straight face I might add, stated that this was simply not true. Prices do NOT rise before long weekends/school holidays.

So there you have it. No more bleating here about things that simply are not true.

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Reply By: Mad Dog - Vic - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:31

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:31
They really do think were're stupid don't they Al.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:36

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:36
Ray,

I could'nt believe this guy. At first I was wondering what planet he was from. Then I thought I'd better check if I was actually still on Earth and not in Cloud Cuckoo Land, where some unkind souls think I am most times hahahaha

You're right, they could'nt give a toss about the Public or any Government Inquiry etc. They ARE above the law and they don't quibble about flaunting it.
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Reply By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:31

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:31
We will see if they rise over the weekend or on monday.We in Qld not having long weekend but kids are on holiday's.I think they are down filled up Tuesday $122.9 less 4c a litre.Enjoy it while you can Gramps.:)
Cheer's Bob.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:43

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:43
Bob,

I'm not trying to start up the 'fuel price' rage again but more pointing out the total arrogance displayed by these guys. As Ray says above, they treat us all as fools.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:36

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:36
Not really busted... I believe there is still a hearing going on about this very problem. Would be silly of Big Oil do it at the moment. They've had their fun, and we are still paying too much on a corrected per AUD$/barrel Ex Singapore, versus what we pay at the pump.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:39

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:39
Gary,

You'd think so but yesterday ULP at my local went from 111.9/litre at 9am to 126.9 at 4pm. This morning it was 123.9 ????
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:47

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:47
When did the school holidays start in NSW? If it was last week, then they have "kept their end of the bargain" by not raising the price before the holidays. They are doing during the holidays to catch you on the way back instead...
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:50

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:50
Last day of school (State schools) is tomorrow 29/9 I believe.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:36

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:36
Just coincidence perhaps?
This gets right up my nose, no one ever seems to pull out a piece of paper with prices, days & dates on it to prove these rectums wrong... we just sit here & let them get away with it....
Trouble is that petrol is too expensive to use in a Molotov Cocktail to throw through their front door...
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:48

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 18:48
We could probably just afford it with a whip around :)))

As if that was'nt bad enough, it was followed by some pimply faced tosser telling another Inquiry that Pay TV was cheap and EVERYONE can afford it so all major sporting events should be on Pay TV and nothing on free to air.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:36

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:36
Yes, Gramps
And the sheep get herded to wherever they need to be herded to.
Propaganda is alive and well. It is amazing how many people think that that is not the case; the government is doing what they can, CEO's need to be paid millions of dollars to create economic growth, things are pretty good and we should consider ourselves lucky. FFS!
Don't you just love a good dark comedy/satire about society like 'Brazil!' I watched one recently called 'V for Vendetta' which I really enjoyed.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:45

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:45
Bware,

I think we're living in "good dark comedy/satire about society" and we don't always realize it.

I have'nt seen the movie yet but it did provide one of my Signatures at one stage.

FFS pretty well sums up my feelings tonight :))))
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:49

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:49
Oh Gramps... LOVE your turn of phrase "Pimply faced tosser" Oh I can't wait to find a situation to use it in, with of course your benediction Gramps....
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:05

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:05
LOL feel free to use PFT any time you like Mr F :))))))
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Reply By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:08

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:08
Al,i know you were not trying to start fuel debate just trying to rub it in.Lol
We had pay tv a couple of yrs past & to tell you the truth i would not even bother again it just a load of rubbish anyway,they have more repeats than the cmmercial stations.My thoughts anyway.
Cheer's Bob.:)
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:20

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 19:20
hahahahaha yeah, I'd heard the same view re Pay TV from others. Like free to air, there's some good bits but generally in amongst a load of crap.
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:02

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:02
Have you heard the heated arguement going on @ the moment re the licence to operate the TV station that will broadcast only to mobile phones? My mind just boggles at such garbage.... I think anyone who is so addicted to watching TV that they have to watch it on a mobile phone needs to seek serious Psych help....

Now I am so annoyed by all this excrement that I'm going to have to see:
LINDA, Asian lady, very pretty, new massage, nice price, gd serv. 0424978604 or 0417049701 tommorrow for a nice massage & some good old fashioned stuff Like the pollies are doing to the country.... Will $50 cover it you recon, better value than a tank of petrol...& she throws in a bottle of wine....
For an hour I'll have the feelings that the "pimply faced tossers" who are running the country get all the time.....
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'd better get a script for Cialis beforehand....
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:12

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:12
hahaha yeah, I stated that view some months ago when some technophile on here was extolling the virtues of 3G phones. Again it shows the absolute contempt the general public are held in, that one of the main 'benefits' that keeps getting served up is "watch TV or movies on your mobile phone" - FFS.

There was a report on the radio today that traffic authorities were worried about in-card DVDs, not regarding the driver of said equipped vehicle but from other passing traffic !!!!!! You'd have to be bloody desperate if that distracts you from driving. Better off handing in your licence and using public transport.

I'll steer clear of the Cialis and value adds comment though LOLOL
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:34

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:34
My brother is in management at Telstra, and the joke around there is that 3G is "the ultimate solution to a non-existant problem". (A poll he did a while ago showed that in the management ranks of Telstra only about 6% of ppl actually use any 3G services, and they get it free/significantly discounted)

The big problem with 3G is that we have come the full circle. Initially with cordless phones we could walk around our house and do other things while we were talking. With mobile phones we could do other things out of the house while we were talking.

With 3G we are back to the situation where we have to stop everything to concentrate on the phone call (or other form of media presented), therefore we are no longer "mobile" or "free".

Might as well be a fixed line hooked up to a computer, faster, bigger screen, more functionality, and usually a comfortable seat to sit on.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 09:36

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 09:36
GaryInOz, that's a great example of 'progress' isn't it?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:24

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:24
The often presented idea of being able to walk past a resturaunt and being able to dial up the entire menu before you go in is a classis example. Wouldn't it just be easier to look at the menu the resturaunt usually have stuck in the window? How many people do you know with 3G phones have actually bothered to make a video phone call?

The problem with 3G is it consists of too may technical constraints to be of any use in a practical sense for anything on its own. Example: small screen, slow broadband speed, limited processing power/battery life, and human-machine physical interface problems (tiny buttons). There is no "killer application" that has sucessfully exploited the technology.

Even adding a camera has only been partly successful due to the conflicting constraints of what makes a good camera (large sensor, large high quality optics, decent weight and size for ease of use and stability) and a good phone. Not to mention the trade-off of the battery hungry camera against the talk time of the phone.

3G is basically "technology without a purpose", rather than "technology FOR a purpose". It came about because we could do it, rather than having any need to do it, and was hyped with the "if we build it, they will come" mentality, which has after ~5-10 years failed to materialise.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:19

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:19
Sorry guys, I should have put these links in earlier

Myth Busted

Pimply Faced Tosser
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:41

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:41
agree 100000% with the sports being on pay TV.

Free to air is now a sports and gameshow glut. Absolutely nothing of any value except on the ABC (NEVER thought I would ever say that!!!!)

Not saying that Pay TV is much better (minimal to zero new quality productions in Australia for Australians)

They wonder why ppl are turning to the internet and waiting impatiently for VOD

RIP TV in all its forms.....
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:04

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:04
Sorry Gary, I don't believe that less players in the market will lead to an increase in quality.

While you and I may think there's not much of any value on most of the time, obviously a lot of others are happy or prepared to put up with it. Most of my favoured shows are on late at night, or not at all anymore, whilst what I regard as crap seems to command prime time, all the time :)))))

To me, the only consistent quality viewing on TV is the live telecasts of major sporting events.

I puke at the mention of Neighbours, Idol, Big Brother, Home and Away, Dancing/Skating/Whatever with the Stars, David Tench (you've got to be kidding !!! ), anything with Bert Newton, The Footy Show (both codes), Everybody Hates/Loves Whoever, game shows, etc etc etc.

It's generally ABC, SBS or a pre-recorded late night show on the video for me.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 22:09

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 22:09
That wasn't really what I was implying.

I agree with you comments except about "quality" live sport. In Melbourne we are going to have two free to air channels broadcasting all AFL matches from next year (now that Fox Footy is defuct...another issue). No doubt we will have Ch 9 giving us all the NRL we can stomach too. I don't think I am alone in saying you CAN have too much of a "good thing". Saturate the market and people go cold...

In my younger days I played cricket at the local level, and thoroughly enjoyed the game, going to may of the local and state level matches and a few of the intenationals waaaaay before cricket was "popular" (1970's)....then I was employed by Ch 9 and ended up following the cricket around the country through the early part of the 1980's for three years. I can now honestly say that I couldn't give a rats ar*e about the game, I have not watched a game in years and have absolutely no interest at all in it.

Fox Footy is/was a good point in favour of my arguement. Initially it was launched as a premium package of about $100 for the season, no one bought it (at a guess), so the price was then dropped substantially and still there were no takers. It then got listed on the free list as a part of the basic package. Given that they would have tried to market it for the highest return possible and that price was effectively zero, then it is pretty clear how much "interest" from the general public there was for that version of saturation marketing of a sport.

The supposed "interest" comes not from the public but from the advertisers who try to shedule commercials into sports for marketing exposure. Some sports are better for this due to the run of the game, having periodic short and long breaks (cricket "overs" and "yer outs", footballs goals/tries and quarters/half time breaks, tennis change of ends), some are not so good (such as motor racing - missing spills during a commercial break etc.) . American Gridiron has been polished into marketers dream, and they have actually altered the way it is played to achieve this. Thus it is the marketers and advertisers that "popularize" the sport, not the supporters.

The general public is being conned into believing that sports on TV are more popular that they actually are. Have a look at the OZTAM ratings for all but the Grand Final of any sport, they rarely make it past the rating level at which some other programs get pulled because they are not performing "to expectations".

My 2c worth from inside and out....
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 22:18

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 22:18
Geez Gary, my brain's hurting reading all that :))) I can agree with most of what you said but we're probably left with the view that "quality" is in the eyes of the beholder.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 22:28

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 22:28
Different spin on things, eh?
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 23:23

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 23:23
Always enlightening to get a different perspective/experience.
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:45

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:45
Gramps

At Last! I now know who you are and can put a face to the name.

Your that bald headed fat dude with the big moustache and earings in his ears - aren't you.

Miff-buster, chit-buster or should I say feather duster.

I'm have trouble getting off the floor from ROFLMAO.

You have just got to stop this activity gramps.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:07

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:07
Bugga !!!! You're getting too damn close Lucy. I may have to travel incognito for a while ( a murmured "Thank God" spreads through the crowd hahahahahaha )
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Reply By: Old Scalyback & denny - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:55

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 20:55
goodday people
the only thing missing thru all this are the troop of flying pigs

steve
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:07

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 21:07
LOL Mad Dog will send those along shortly :)))))
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 23:49

Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 23:49
I'm sure I heard an old Eurythmics song playing in the background......................................................................

......................"Would I lie to You?"

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 06:55

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 06:55
LOL very apt :)))))
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Reply By: Member No 1- Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 07:32

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 07:32
that bloody mongrel was lying thru his teath...and he knew it.....

when he went to escape the room of tv interviers he actually tried to open the wall....the door was further along
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 16:03

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 16:03
Obviously the wall should have parted to let him through :))))) He could'nt get out of there quick enough.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 18:07

Friday, Sep 29, 2006 at 18:07
exactly gramps
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