Access to Aboriginal Land

No, I won't bother making a submission.

Having read the Discussion Paper, it is clear the decisions have already been made.

Inviting submissions is a formality to appease the public.

Yes I will

Yep, I will too.

Number 4 option sounds sensible to me.

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Without wishing to alter the direction of the thread I could not help but smile a wry smile at the following quote from the document:

"Arguably the permit system serves only to restrict those inclined to respect the
law – not those who already flaunt the law and operate in spite of the permit
system."

If only the government adopted the same perspective in relation to those of us who own firearms.
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But; YES - this system need changing – it’s not good for anyone.

Mike Harding

With the way this country is pandering to these people and the High Courts ruling on the latest Native Title act this is nothing more than Apartheid in reverse. Although Heritage listing takes precedent over Native Title, the Canning Stock Route remains one of the last free journeys across this country. Every where else its another revenue raising exercise. And you thought South Africa was bad back in the pre 1994 elections prior to when Mandela came to power. If you people in Australia sit on your laurels and do nothing, soon there wont be many places left on the map of Australia for us to visit. Our freedom to travel this country and our rights are gradually being eroded by a few do-gooders, members of the Green party and an apathetic public.

I'd like to have a say Rick, but I can't help feeling rather ignorant on the issue. There seems to be many layers of legislation - this being only one of them.

I had a quick read of the paper. I think it says that only the habited areas will become more accessible. My personal desires are for access to the uninhabited areas, as you know, and I can't see where that is covered in the paper. (As much as I'd like to have a beer in downtown Warburton.)

Despite what Jimbo says I think it would appear to be a good opportunity to express our opinions - perhaps it is the "thin edge of the sword" chance.

As I say - I would like to submit something, but I can just see the government lawyers come back to me and say "Well, thanks Equinox for your opinion, but we cannot allow that because of this section of such and such act etc.

Would it be better, and perhaps carry more weight if all who had an interest, were a joint signatory to a submission that has been checked by a legal mind amongst us?

I'm a firm believer in choice. I make a decision and based on that decision there will be consequences. Blaming others for your situation will not help. I realise that some people will believe they may be in a hopeless situation but having negative thoughts and basing decisions on actions based on those negative thoughts will not see you through in this world. And let's face it. Our Australia has changed a hell of a lot in the last 236 years. This is our country. Make a smart choice, make it better.

p.s. I was born here here, therefore I'm indigenous. I object to being shut out of certain areas for the benefit of a few.

Jimbo. I think you missed the point and mis interpreted my posting about "pandering to these people" and "'Apartheid in Reverse " At a recent meeting of Trackcare in Perth, a couple of months ago, we were addresses by two young females - barely out of nappies, who blustered and bumbled their way trying to explain about the Native Title Act. They were not Aboriginal people but two young white females. These two claimed to be representing some unpronounceable name of some Aboriginal tribe who laid claim to most of WA. They ( the tribe ) have now stated that they do not want tourists moving more than 4.5 Km from the left and right of the Canning Stock Route. This tribe claim to have "sacred land " where there is "secret men's business " and " secret woman's business" This country is already become divisive over Muslims, Aboriginals and many other nationalities that have been allowed into Australia. We are most definitely seeing signs of racial hatred among blacks and whites. Oil and Water do not mix and no amount of trying to make different cultures come together will ever succeed ! - certainly not in what remaining years I have left, and probably never in my Grand children's time.
The fact that alcohol and drugs is a problem with the Aboriginals is also the same problem with white people in this country. The blame for the alcohol problem rest fair and square with Gough Whitlam . It was he who instituted the dole and the giving of to the Aboriginals. And if you try to deny it , go back and read through your history of the stuff up Whitlam made of this country. Granted there are a number of highly educated Aboriginals in business and commerce and make brilliant tour guides, but to put a ban on us who support these people through our highly taxed system of taxes etc is nothing short of double standards. I thought we lived in a fair an equal society !Or so we are lead to believe by the politicians from both sides of the fence. Like hell we do , one rule for them, one rule for us and the rule is in favour of them. Why should I have to fork out $100 to cross the Simpson desert ? Where is the money going. ? Who is benefiting from the money I pay to have access to the Simpson. Talk about double standards. What about my rights as a taxpaying citizen of this so called fair country. Pigs might fly before there is equality between the inhuman human race.
No one is going to dictate to me or any other person as to where I can go and not go. And what about overseas tourists who bring their own four wheel drives and tour across this country. Do they know about Native Titles etc and where they can go and cant go.?? We are bound up in so much red tape that eventually we will strangle ourselves to death with it.

Hi

Thanks for drawing our attention to this web posting. I will certainly read it and respond if I think I have something worthwhile to contribute.

Regarding claims of "Apartheid in Reverse" I really think this is an over reaction.

Before claiming to be victims of Apartheid we should be clear what we are talking about.

Apartheid is not being able to;
- live in the suburb where you live now
- send your kids to your local school
- go to the local shops
- walk on the road
- play football or cricket
- go to the beach
- go to university
- go to church
- go to the local hospital
- be treated by your local doctor
- catch the train or bus
- ride in the lift
- walk up the stairs
- park in the car park
- own property in your town or suburb
- vote
- say what you want to say
- sue some one
- complain to the police
- get your local solicitor to assist you in legal matters
- complain about not getting paid the minimum wage
- do all the normal things you do as a matter of right

SIMPLY BECAUSE OF YOUR SKIN COLOUR and for no other reason.

Apartheid is exactely what I have ddescribed above. It was the legal policy in some states of the USA and in South Africa in my life time and I am not yet 60 years old!

It was introduced and supported by a significant number of decent God fearing, Christian, white skinned people of English and Northern European decent.

Regards
Phil

Apartheid ( Afrikaans word meaning SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT.) The great architect of the Apartheid was CECIL RHODES, founder of both what was once Northern and Southern Rhodesia. Now in the hands of BLACK lunatic dictators - Look what Mugabe has done to Rhodesia !!! Apartheid is actually pronounced Apart hate not Apart-hite. Its still alive and well in some parts of the USA and in Australia !!! but no one has the guts to say its still alive and well and thriving. Even if its reversed in Australia. Only have to go up North like the family and I did several years ago and went to a pub for a coldie and lunch. On the door of the pub it said BLACKS this side WHITES next door. People like to bury their heads in the sand an not face up to reality. I guess I `ve been around too long and watched the world get worse as the years go by - certainly not better, and as the clock ticks along and my time is starting to run out, I wonder what the future generation of todays new born babies will have to inherit - a total mess. Nuff said. Find something more cheerful to talk about !!!

I grew up in South Africa during the Apartheid ere. Now the country is worse off since the blacks took over. The value of the Rand has dropped and is worth nothing now. Good place to go a for a very cheap holiday as the exchage rate is very much in our favour. Will be over there for Christmas for 8 weeks, and will spend some time in Cape Town visiting some of the best wineries in the country.
And Jimbo you are a bloody idiot as you know nothing about whats gong on in your own country. You have got your head burried in the sand and dont want ot face the truth and the reality of whats happening in this country.
I am neither sad, bigoted and a right wing whatever. Just a normal human being who sees it as it is and tells it as it is . if you dont like the truth , why wast your time ranting andf raving like a spoiled brat. You havent read up on your history . Thats a fact, as you know nothing about Cecil Rhodes and Hendrik Verwoerd. You probably have never heard of them either. You are clutching at straws hoping I`ll swallow tha bait. Sorryyou are such a an uneducated person with little knowledge of worldy affair. In my travels around this country , I have met and spoek with many people who agree with my comments, so does thaty mean the majority of people in this country or sad, bigoted right wing . What a load of unmitigated hogwash. Get your history books out and go learn a thing or two about worldy events. Moron.

I've found that it is mutual respect that usually brings people closer together; that is one of the main things (on both sides) that is missing.....fix that and we'll be well on our way to countering some of these other issues.