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if the speed of light is 186,000,000. miles per second..........

What is the speed of dark
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Reply By: Troop-a-dour - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:37

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:37
The answer is obvious....
it's minus (-) 186,000,000 mps
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:43

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:43
Not quite. The speed of light is actually 186,282 miles per second.

Dark is heavy (more mass) and travels more slowly. You can prove that it is heavy by swimming down in the ocean, the deeper you go the darker it gets as all the dark sinks to the bottom.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:30

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:30
>The speed of light is actually 186,282 miles per second.

Only in a vacuum. In other mediums it differs.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:38

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:38
ahaha
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 06:07

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 06:07
Well spotted Mike, you are indeed corect.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:10

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:10
...and according to Stephen Hawkings theory(s) if you shine a torch out into space it will eventually do a "full circle" and light up the back of the torch, irrespective of which way you pointed the torch.

Someone needs to write a book for us...

"Quantum mechanics, theoretical mathemeatics, and astrophysics for 4WDers"

No matter how thick that book is, I dont ever think it will match this one in it's utter complexity



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Reply By: Exploder - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:45

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:45
If you are looking for a answer, I will say the same as the speed of light as darkness will fall as fast as light leaves.

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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:47

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 19:47
Dark is an absence of light. Dark is therefore motionless. ie it has no speed.
Dark matter, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter :))
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:34

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:34
You better tell us what you know if dark matter F'loosie. I think you must be in control of it.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:43

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:43
John, I suspect that you know far more about dark matter than I. Maybe we ought to ask a certain relative of a relative thats in the public eye ? One not far away from me ? Or have I got it wrong again ?
Those people would make a statement about anything. After checking party policy of course :))

Mind you I have been referred to as a "dark horse". Does that count ?
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:39

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:39
That relative of a relative tries to keep out of the range of politics so he can work for them. I guess that really IS dark. Dark horse are you? Not black sheep?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:46

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:46
John, I know nawt about sheep. I'll bet you have the odd one ..or two...down there to keep the cows company.

Wolly jumpers probably come in handy down there in winter.
I have actually seen a few black sheep...the ones in the paddock not the bars. That's about as close as I've been to the dark side. I'm a great believer in using the force.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:51

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:51
So John, the relative of a relative hides in dark places to keep away from those he works for. Like 5 million other workers. :))
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 22:59

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 22:59
hey footie, JohnR doesn't know it yet but he's got 9 ewes loose in the back paddock, there was 8 the other day so it's getting worse.
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actually they're not his, I think the neighbour is weaning lambs or something and they got in our place.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 07:53

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 07:53
Nick, in context that's funny. But I won't be telling him he's got strange animals running round in his top paddock :)))
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:04

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:04
F'loosie, we actually pay quite a lot ot have more than a few kangaroos bouncing around in the back paddock. I guess it makes it easier to keep pace in this funny farm.

We don't have any Kiwis working here at the moment to subdue the sheep, there are some up the road though. ;-)
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Reply By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:07

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:07
Darkspeed is not a constant; when daylight savings starts it takes longer to get dark ;-))
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:40

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:40
yep
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:31

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:31
I think the following explains it perfectly:
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The Dark Absorber Theory
From Wood Badge WM-62-2-98
Philmont, August 1998

For years, it has been believed that electric bulbs emit light, but
recent information has proved otherwise. Electric bulbs don't emit
light; they absorb dark. Thus, we call these bulbs Dark Absorbers.
The Dark Absorber Theory and the existence of dark absorbers prove
that dark has mass and is heavier than light.

First, the basis of the Dark Absorber Theory is that electric bulbs
absorb dark. For example, take the Dark Absorber in the room you are
in. There is much less dark right next to it than there is elsewhere.
The larger the Dark Absorber, the greater its capacity to absorb
dark. Dark Absorbers in the parking lot have a much greater capacity
to absorb dark than the ones in this room.

As with all things, Dark Absorbers don't last forever. Once they are
full of dark, they can no longer absorb. This is proven by the dark
spot on a full Dark Absorber. A candle is a primitive Dark Absorber.
A new candle has a white wick. You can see that after the first use,
the wick turns black, representing all the dark that has been
absorbed into it. If you put a pencil next to the wick of an
operating candle, it will turn black. This is because it got in the
way of the dark flowing into the candle. One of the disadvantages of
these primitive Dark Absorbers is their limited range.

There are also portable Dark Absorbers. In these, the bulbs can't
handle all the dark by themselves and must be aided by a Dark Storage
Unit. When the Dark Storage Unit is full, it must be either emptied
or replaced before the portable Dark Absorber can operate again. Dark
has mass. When dark goes into a Dark Absorber, friction from the mass
generates heat. Thus, it is not wise to touch an operating Dark
Absorber. Candles present a special problem as the mass must travel
into a solid wick instead of through clear glass. This generates a
great amount of heat and therefore it's not wise to touch an
operating candle.

Also, dark is heavier than light. If you were to swim just below the
surface of the lake, you would see a lot of light. If you were to
slowly swim deeper and deeper, you would notice it getting darker and
darker. When you get really deep, you would be in total darkness.
This is because the heavier dark sinks to the bottom of the lake and
the lighter light floats at the top. The is why it is called light.

Finally, we must prove that dark is faster than light. If you were to
stand in a lit room in front of a closed, dark closet, and slowly
opened the closet door, you would see the light slowly enter the
closet. But since dark is so fast, you would not be able to see the
dark leave the closet. This is proof positive that the Dark Absorber
Theory is true.
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Mike Harding
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:41

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:41
The speed of light is exactly 186,282 miles per second, not 186 million as you pondered above.

As we near the speed of light things that we once took for granted and datums we once swore by (like AGD66 and WGS84) lose their relativity. Once we reach the speed of light we actually arrive at the same time that light does, and once we exceed the speed of light we actually arrive BEFORE light does.

If we assume light to be THE fastest thing in the world (which is true) we are therefore moving backwards in time, relative to light and all other datums, yes even UTM.

It is therefore easy to calculate the speed of dark, it is only possible at 0 degrees Kelvin or -283 deg centrigrade. Its is then and only then, that the spoeed of darkness is one, and that only happens when you get the cold stare of a woman scorned. i.e. once every 10.3 hours on average.

That is why Toyota design is in fact heading backwards as it is developing so fast. Take the Troopcarrier for example, a feat in urbanity only exceeded by the Landrover 110. Exceed indeed.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:52

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 20:52
Bonz

"0 degrees Kelvin or -283 deg centrigrade" wrong = -274.5 oC

So is the Nissan patrol the meaning of the term THE DAY TIME STOOD STILL?

LOL.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:35

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:35
Now now now Richard that was from my memory. Absolute zero (for water) is actually -273.15 degrees C, so 283 wasnt too bad a guess

The Patrol only reaches those speeds on explosion hahahahaha
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:45

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:45
your all on drugs...hahaha...hic

its minus 273C...no heat available..i wont go into the fractions...but whatever.... there is no heat available...thats why its could absolute
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:47

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 21:47
yer Nudie I reckoned that, geez year 11 was a LONG time ago
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 23:10

Wednesday, Oct 11, 2006 at 23:10
when I did HSC chemistry only 15 years ago and we worked on -270 degrees C as 0 kelvin. we didn't work in parts of a degree for calculations but as I later found out, my teacher wasn't always right so bonz probably is.

A simple experiment to prove light travels much faster than sound is when someone appears quite bright until they open their mouth...........

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 07:55

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 07:55
even longer for me bonz
but what still has me buggered is what has the absolute temperature got to do with the speed of dark....

Oh I have it...i think..........resistance creates heat and or heat creates resistance.... but as we are at -273 there is no heat...so dark must be faster than light..?...is that in a vacuum or at a pressure?...absolute pressure or gauge pressure..eg psig?
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:19

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:19
Site Link

William Thomson Kelvin has it, 1st Baron. Encarta - there are better encyclopedia of course
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:01

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:01
I think you are doing amazingly well Bonz, and setting a fine example for the rest of us. You only receive the "cold stare of a woman scorned" every 10.3hours on average.

I live much closer to absolute zero than that. Although I must admit that at times I seriously doubt that I have scorned that woman yet I still receive the cold stare.

Frequently I protest "It's not my fault I didn't do it!" I am guessing of course but I think you all know how far my protest gets me.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:02

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:02
Oh I forgot to add, please don't let that woman see this or once again she will feel scorned and I will be heading very rapidly into the darkness.

A very worried Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:50

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:50
Duncs, you are quoting Bonz on that, I can't believe that Marie is anything like that....
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Reply By: RupertDog - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:31

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:31
Turbopete

All this talk of speed of light and speed of dark has led to another quandry:

If travelling in a 4wd (of your choice to avoid Toyota v Nissan arguements), at the speed of light, and you turn your headlights on, what happens???

Do they light up, or not????

Thanks

RD
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:46

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:46
The ones at the back seem to light more after I apply the brakes
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 12:15

Thursday, Oct 12, 2006 at 12:15
I have always found the we all travel at the speed of light in our vehicles. Have you ever noticed when you try and slow down the light in the rear view mirror seems to catch up to you???
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