A Tyre Question - 80 series automatic

Submitted: Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 14:55
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For some time the outside of my rear tyres wear down and whilst the inner side has lots of thread I need to get 2 new ones .

The new ones go on the front and the front are switched to back.

Discussed with a friend and he suggested I go to a suspension specialist which I did .

He suggested a "Cast-O-Line Bearing kit" to fix the problem, but these can only be fitted to front.

After discussion I showed him the wheel alignment recordings and the ones he picked up on were "Rear Axle toe" which showed the following for "Rear Axle TOE"

9/9/2003 Left -0.3mm
Right +7mm
6/1/2004 Left -1.8mm
Right +13.6
1/9/2004 Left -.5mm
Right +10.5mm
6/1/2005 Left +3.8mm
Right +14.8mm
21/4/2005 Left -4.9mm
Right + 3.6mm
10/5/2005 Left -1.1 mm
Right +1.5mm

Had 2 new Bridgstone put on front at Karumba, with no wheel alignment , and shifted the Michelin Syndcrome to rear.
Did not get a wheel alignment when i got home.
These Michelins are now badly worn on outside after 39000 km (20000 since Karumba) but the inner side has heaps thread left while the front ones are wearing well all round(20000kms)

The suspension guy said there was something wrong with the Toe readings from prior to and from 6/1/05.
At latest readings it is at normal levels and he said they would need to check readings after the wheel alignment with new tyres.
I have not had any prangs but bought the cruiser second hand (150000kms ago) so don't know its prior history.
Tyres range from 25000km to the present 39000km which I am told is not the best.

Being a novice in this area I am at their mercy.
Will the Cast o line bearing help my problem with tyres wearing at back.

Is there any other thing I should get them to check so far as rear of vehicle is concerned?
Thanks
Pedro
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 15:16

Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 15:16
I also have an 80 series and I don't think that having the front alignment checked will have any effect on the rear tyre wear. You can not have "toe in or toe out" on the rear solid axle of any vehicle including a box trailer. Ask whoever suggested it would work to explain how. Rear solid axles can not have "toe in.!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 21:01

Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 21:01
If your beloved has been involved in an accident, where the rear wheel has been hit from the side, the insurance company will do one of two things,
1 straighten it, which usually means they bend the straight side till its even)
2 buy new, which costs twice the price
3 write the truck off
Buy a secondhand rear diff after you check the rear bearings...when you pull the axles, slip them back in loose and look for gaps on one side of gasket, indicating bent housing.
Had this happen to my unbreakable 60 series...it wrote off an ea falcon with one wheel :)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:10

Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:10
Ian,
It was Rear Axle Toe I was reading from, and because of the variance it could be the Wheel Alignment machine may have been out.

2 readings on 2 different machines yesterday gave similar readings of 7.9mm for Rear Axle.

Pedro
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 15:35

Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 15:35
I agree with Ian, there is no adjustment available, only on the front, if this has been a common problem since you have owned the vehicle and not knowing the previous history I would be getting the rear checked to make sure at some stage that it was not involved in an accident or maybe the diff is out of alighnment but then I would imagine you would get different tyre wear from one side to the other and if out enough the vehicle would be crabbing up the road as you drove it ?? Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Dave198 - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 16:06

Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 16:06
Peter, it sounds to me like it is either the rear axle is out of alignment, or maybe even a bent axle.
I queried a tyre specialist only recently regarding scrubbing of the outside of the tyres on a bogie dolley on a truck.
He said it was bent axles that caused it.
Maybe the same principle with yours, but I am no expert.
What about taking a measurement from the centre of your front hub to the centre of the rear hub on each side. That might shed some light on it.
Also on level ground maybe from the ground up to the centre of the rear hub as well.
As I say, I am no expert.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 16:12

Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 16:12
Thanks Dave,
It could well be something to do with the axle and I will get that checked out.

Pedro
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Follow Up By: RosscoH - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 16:29

Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 16:29
I agree with Dave, sounds like a bent diff housing.

RosscoH
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 19:04

Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 19:04
forget looking at axles as they are full floating axles , you issue is in the housing , simple its bent .

usually a problem on troopy fronts . I sure you can source a cheap second hand unit
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 21:37

Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 21:37
RC,
Thanks for that.
Have sent you a members message

Pedro
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Reply By: John Davies - Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 12:35

Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 12:35
I would replace all the suspension bushes first and then get another alignment before thinking about replacing the diff housing.

Regards

John D
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 19:26

Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 19:26
Thanks John,
Had bushes checked and no problems.
Following a lead from Rock Crawler, I had a Caster correction kit fitted by ARB, and after a couple of wheel alignments have been advised there is a bent housing (unfortunately) which I will need to have fixed.
thanks to all for their interest

Pedro
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Reply By: Member - Barry (NT) - Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 23:36

Monday, Oct 16, 2006 at 23:36
Peter If you think it may be a bent axle housing (ie the banjo) try taking the rear axles out and see if they slide out easliy (all relative) or they take a lot of force. If they are locked in OR - VERY hard to remove - this indicates bent banjo as stated in a post above - from accident or some other external force applied.

2 bob's worth but may help.

Barry
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:48

Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:48
Thanks for the tip Barry.

Have booked it in for the experts to look at, as I am no mechanic .
However, for those others who are its a handy tip

Pedro
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Reply By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Friday, Oct 27, 2006 at 20:01

Friday, Oct 27, 2006 at 20:01
Final report.

The diff housing turned out to be bent (on right hand side) as suggested above.

Had it straightened , as best they could and reading after job on rear axle is
Total Toe 4 mm
LH +2mm
RH + 3.8MM

This is down from total of 8mm

Also had the Cast-O-line bearing kit fitted to front and Total Toe has moved from 7.2mm (LH +2.8 RH + 4.4) to
-1mm (LH -1.1 RH +1 )

Front axle caster now reads
LH +2.73 degrees RH +1.97 degrees

Hopefully all OK while the bank balance recovers.

Many thanks to all who responded to my initial enquiry.

Pedro

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