I.T drama with Toshiba laptop

Submitted: Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:21
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Hi,

I know there are quite a few IT guys on the forum and hope you can help.

I've got a TECRA Toshiba A7.

At times if I try and scroll down via the side bar or click on a commad either the screen shrinks or the start menu opens or file opens on the top menu. Only happens a few times an hour but don't know why. Eg if I scroll down in EO the above can happen, if I open a folder tree in explore the above can happen.

Hope you can help.
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:37

Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:37
sounds a bit weird to me...almost as if there is a key stuck or something
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Reply By: Member - Phantom (WA) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 20:44

Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 20:44
Hi,
I think Troll is correct. Happened to me at work today. Screens scrolling without control. Finally found the Enter button jammed down.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:43

Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:43
Hi,

This isn't the problem, screen isn't scrolling without control. Please see my original post.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:09

Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:09
Hi Austravel,

On myTecra A2 the touch pad is very sensitive and occasionally I accidently double tap the touch pad as I hover/scroll. This has the effect of auto scrolling the mouse. The quick remedy is to double tap the touch pad to stop it. Alternatively you can permantly disable this feature in the mouse propeties.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:44

Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:44
Thanks Captain, I know this function but it's not my drama. Please see my orginal post.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 11:41

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 11:41
This isn't a problem easily diagnosed via the forums unfortunately. Could be a few things. When did it start happening..? Did this co-incide with anything else you have done or installed on the Notebook..? Have you tried doing a system restore to an earlier time.? Have you rebooted the machine..? Have you run a Spyware check using something like Spyware Doctor, Adaware and Spybot do not work anymore..?
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Reply By: BenSpoon - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 15:06

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 15:06
New toshies come with icons on the touchpad that are shortcuts to things- often you can activate the shortcuts by pressing the touchpad in the right spot- Bottom right or top right from memory. A7 I think you have to double click. It bleep es me off no end when using new touchpads- you go to change a setting on the PC, and before you know it calculator, word, email and ie are open on the screen. I think you are getting this but dont have the icons.

Check in Control panel for Synaptics Manager to kill the shortcuts- yours should do Alt-menu, minimise, maximise and start menu.

FYI
I dont know if your touchpad has the arrows drawn in, but you can also drag scroll bars by dragging the extreme bottom and right edges of the touchpad.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 18:42

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 18:42
Could be, I don't know much about this unit as yet. I can't find the function your describing. Looked through control panel but can't find the area you describing.

Any chance of a bit more help??????

Your right about the touchpad arrows, now I know how to use this, thanks.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:13

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:13
Hi Benspoon,

I think your spot on. Have just tried clicking and double clicking in the top and bottom left hand corner and it does exactly as I described every time. Guess I now just have to work out how to turn it off. Any ideas?
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:15

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:15
Not sure how yours is setup as I dont have an A7 around to test on, but try looking for the menu to disable it in these places:
In the system tray (bottom right corner of your screen) - double click on the icon of a touchpad or something that changes colour when you use the touchpad,
In the control panel - "Synaptics" something... or even try under Mouse in there.
In the start Menu under synaptics or toshiba utilities.

Failing that, shoot an email to the clowns at toshiba- they are generally pretty helpful
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:28

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:28
Thanks Benspoon. Will try your suggestions, sounds like your on the mark.

Thanks again.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 16:04

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 16:04
Hard to identify without being in front of it, but here's a checklist of what to do to eliminate software problems.

1) Run chkdsk
2) If not already on NTFS, change file system to NTFS, it gives few problems whereas Fat32 is fragile.
3) go to www.bitdefender.com and download version 10 of Bitdefender antivirus 10 plus, install and do full scans of your system to remove virus/spyware. You can use this version for a month before registration (ie payment) is required.

If these do not fix your problem, you can contact Toshiba support, tell them what you've done already and get the hardware fixed under warranty.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 17:31

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 17:31
None of the above procedures address the issues at hand in the original post.

If it is a new laptop or near enough to it, it would have come with NTFS already enabled/used (default in WinXP).

Probably came loaded with the antivirus software along with firewall, etc.

Absolutely no need to introduce any other "distractions" or possible software conflicts into the equation. You are far better off fixing what you have to a stable level of operation, then upgrading (allows the use of a stable restore point...)
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 18:40

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 18:40
Is that so. Methinks you are merely attacking me. You certainly haven't offered any helpful hints as to how to fix the user's problem. I did.

Firstly, you do not know if it is new or near new or if it has NTFS. New laptops do not always have NTFS. Many of them still ship with Fat32. XP happily runs on Fat32 although it's far less robust than NTFS.

Secondly, if it came loaded with antivirus it would most probably be Norton. It may also have Norton Firewall. There is a 99% chance that it doesn't have any spyware control. I don't know what ships with Toshibas, since I don't sell them.

The steps I have suggested are what I routinely do in my business.

Since the problem behaviour suggests to me that the system may have spyware/trojans, the steps I have outlined will correct file system errors that should be fixed as a matter of course, then the system can be given added stability by converting to NTFS if it is on Fat32, and then Viruses and Spyware can be removed with Bitdefender, since lots of spyware easily disables Norton Antivirus. This is easily possible due to Norton/symatec pathetic definition update cycle of weekly (except corporates which can be auto updated more often, or you can manually update your norton daily if you can be bothered)

But you know all this already, you just didn't feel like helping, just pointlessly attacking me.

Bitdefender updates many times daily, and I know which I prefer.

Oh, and for your information, you probably can't get a stable restore point if the system has spyware/trojans, many of which lurk in the system backup area to re-infect the PC if restore is used.

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Follow Up By: Austravel - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 18:51

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 18:51
Thanks Gerhard,

Have done a disk clean and defrag is this the same as check disc??

How do I change to NTFS?

I'm using AVG is this as good as bitdefender??

What Benspoon is suggesting sounds like it might even be the case but I don't know how to do what he suggests.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:11

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:11
Disk clean and defrag are useful to run but not the same.

Easist way is to open a command prompt (cleck start, run, cmd then enter) a black window will appear.

type chkdsk and press enter, this will bring up a line which will say what the file system is - if it says NTFS, thats what we want. The disk check will continue in read mode and report any problems. If problems found, type in chkdsk /f and hit enter - then press Y and the file system will be fixed on the next restart of the system.

If it's Fat 32, also type convert c: /FS:ntfs and press enter. if you have a d: drive also do convert d: /FS:NTFS

Restart the system and the disk fix and conversion will take place. They won't take too long to finish.

If you are using AVG it will be OK for viruses, but it doesn't get spyware.

I have used the bitdefender I mentioned while other AV products are installed and it's happy to run alongs and clean up problems.

Afterwards you can uninstall it again, but you will need to get a spyware tool, AVG website has Ewido which is free but needs manual updating.

I'm not familiar with Toshibas, so can't help with Ben's uggestion.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:30

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:30
Thanks Gerhard,

Will do as you suggest. Pretty sure now that Benspoon has solved the problem as everytime I touch a corner of the touch pad what I described happens each time. However I will certainly do the other things you've suggested, didn't realise AVG wasn't good enough to keep all the tossers at bay.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:48

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 19:48
If the laptop has a mouse "button" in the center of the keyboard (a lot of IBM's have this) what can happen is the rubber cap disintegrates a bit and lodges itself in the mechanism. The software sort of recognises the position of the "button" on boot up, but any additional crumbs added while while the computer is on can make the mouse wander, as you ORIGINALLY described.

Gerhardp1,

Cleaning/defreag/adding antivirus/changing file system will never cure a wandering mouse....unless of course you like changing a lightbulb to turn the TV on.....(TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION).

FORMULA FOR RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS

1/2A = RTFQ (half the answer is to read the question).
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 20:00

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2006 at 20:00
Is that so.

Then why are you crapping on about a mouse button on an IBM .....(TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION), when the original question clearly states the laptop is a Toshiba with a touchpad.

FORMULA FOR CRITICIZING - BLUSTER AWAY AT SENSIBLE SUGGESTIONS WITHOUT GIVING ANY SUGGESTIONS YOURSELF

I merely gave my technique for eliminating file system and spyware/trojan issues, either of which can cause the behaviours described. If the problem is not software, it would be hardware. When you have a hardware problem which requires warranty service, THEY ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ELIMINATED SOFTWARE ISSUES FIRST.

But you would know that.
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