Tyre size / revs

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 14:05
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Hi all, seem to have forgotten most mathimatical formulas learned at school. I have 31x10.5x15s which at 100 kph engine revs at 2500 rpm. Is anyone aware of a formula I can use to work out my revs at the same speed if I were to fit 33" or possibly 35" tyres [31/33/35 being tyre diameters]. The reason being to try and drop the revs below 2000 when cruising at 100kph. Unlike pms, I would welcome any advice...........regards nissnut
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Reply By: G.T. - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 14:36

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 14:36
I don`t know if this will help or not.

M.P.H = rpm x wheel dia. in inches divided by gear ratio x 336.
Regards G.T.
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Reply By: Penguin (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:09

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:09
This " target="EOF" class="lbg">www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html will give you a percentage difference in speed for different tyre sizes. How that translates to RPM is another matter.

Mike
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Reply By: Penguin (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:11

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:11
Sorry, problem with the link.

Try this " target="EOF" class="lbg">www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html
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Follow Up By: Penguin (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:13

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:13
Hmmm. I'm pasting the correct link but seeing extra characters appended. Is this a problem David? Could be dodgy IE7!

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 18:14

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 18:14
Penguin,

When you cut and paste a hyperlink, only replace the text between the two quotation marks. ("" "")

The >link text bit is where you put whatever name you wish for the hyperlink.
i.e. replace the two words link text with your desired name.
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Follow Up By: Penguin (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:36

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:36
Thanks Sandy.

The last couple of times I have posted a link, I haven't needed to use the "href" syntax. Just type the full link and is appeared as a hyperlink with the words "Site Link". I've just looked at the instructions below and it says "...or copy & paste from address bar".

Maybe David has changed it again.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:11

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:11
Hi nissnut,

All a matter of ratios:

31/33 x 2500 = 2350 rpm for a 33" tyre @ 100 km/hr

31/35 x 2500 = 2210 rpm for a 35" tyre @ 100 km/hr

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:16

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:16
Geez, my method was no where near as elegant as Captain's, but same result. To get 2000RPM, need around a 38.5 inch diameter.
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Follow Up By: nissnut - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:28

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 15:28
geeeez, my ego could handle 38" but I dont think my truck could..........nissnut
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Reply By: Alan H (Narangba QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 19:53

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 19:53
My 80 series does 2500 to give 100kph in 5th gear.

Circumference is 2 pi R or Pi D

It will therefore give the following for each revolution

31" = 97.38937" travelled
33" = 103.6726" travelled
35" = 109.9557" travelled

Engine running 2500 revs for 31" wheels

33" reduces revs by 6.4516 % or 161.29revs = same speed at 2338.71 revs
35" reduces revs by 12.9032 % or 322.58 revs = same speed at 2177.42 revs
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 00:57

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 00:57
But - always remember,,,,,,,,,

Pi are not squared Pi are round.

2 Pi R is ok for use in calculating forward speeds only. If using Pi 2 R then that will apply only in reverse gears. This can be a useful formula to use if someone has put your clutch plate in back to front.

Pi R squared can be used to work out the area of the tyre and the wheel. Which is useful if you get sideways a lot.

Pi D is the same as 2 Pi R. Pi ST is nearly the same but you shouldn't really be driving no matter how fast you're going.

Take care,

Bilbo
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Reply By: arewelost - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 23:55

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 23:55
hi nissnut
i don't know how much a differance to your speedo it will make by running higher profile tyres worth looking at. When i changed my from 650/16 to 750/16 it made about 10k's differance on the speedo and we don't want to contribute to the police funds
cheers steve
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:44

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:44
change your diff ratios....
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:09

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:09
Captains reply is an elegant solution

31/33 x 2500 = 2350 rpm for a 33" tyre @ 100 km/hr

31/35 x 2500 = 2210 rpm for a 35" tyre @ 100 km/hr

so 2000 rpm requires 2500/2000 x 31 = 38.75" dia

But the question in my mind is 31/38.75 X 100 = 80% reduction or 20% reduction in revs and also power.

So I assume you have thought the following through?
Can you afford to loose 20% in power in top gear and still have enough power to push the car along the road?

20% is about the difference in gears between 5th and 4th.
So 4th will then be like 5th now, so you can use 4th for overtaking.

But if 1st gear is 20% higher, will you get off the line on a hill?

A further cost may be a rock crawler set of low ratio gears so low range isn't 20% higher.

I went up 10% in gearing with bigger tyres (new 32") to go from 2870 to 2580 rpm at 100k, but I can not go any higher without a lower 1st gear. After a bit of research I think I may have found a set from a newer model, and 10% higher diffs to go with it. (The higher diffs saves arguing about illegal larger tyres, and I can only go to 33" max under std guards). Will give me 2320 revs at 100k which is right on the good power/ max torque point for economy. 4th will be needed around town as 5th will be too high, and for overtaking on the highway, and for hills. May use 3rd more too for steep hills. But with the lower 1st, 2nd should still be OK since the 1st to 2nd gap is pretty small. I can start off downhill in 2nd now. I can get rock crawler gears too. With 10% higher gearing fuel usage has dropped about 5% at a steady 100k. (Stuck to same width tyre, just taller so rolling resistance doesn't go up too much, went from 235/75/15-29" to 235/85/16-32")

So if I spend a few thousand dollars on diffs, a new 1st gear and rock crawler gears I can get another 10% to make 20% in total. How many years does it take to pay me back in lower fuel usage and less wear and tear? Reason I have not gone down that road :o)
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:30

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:30
Forgot to add.
Top speed.
You may not be worried about it, but if you are doing 50km/hr per 1000revs, and max HP is about 4000rpm, I don't see you getting to 200km/hr :-).
I found with 10% taller gearing that top speed increased from 145km/hr (4400 rpm - max hp) to 160 km/hr for 4400 rpm - max hp. But I doubt that will happen with a further 10%.
May end up like the old 1300cc beetles, 69mph top speed in 4th and 71mph in 3rd, since they have a relatively high 4th gear (about 30km/hr (19mph) per 1000revs).
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:53

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:53
OK, one last comment, I promise.

Looking at the cost and money I have saved in fuel going 10% bigger.

Over the life of the tyres (60-80,000k), with 5% fuel saving, I have saved about $200 to $400 in fuel. Depends on how much running at 100km/hr and how much slow speed running, since I only really save at 1000km/hr on the highway.

But 235/85/16 tyres are about $30 to $50 more each than 235/75/15, so am only saving about $100 to $200 in fuel per set of tyres, or every 2 to 3 years or so.

Big advantage for me though is the extra 1.5" of ground clearance under the front, since we all know pajeros love to bulldoze in sand and try and bend rocks with the front bash plate. I know, I should have a cruiser/patrol!
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Follow Up By: nissnut - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:34

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:34
Thanks to oldplodder and all for your input. Ive got me some figuring to do. Got an MK Patrol which is a mighty fine off roader but doesnt like to rev too high on the open road. [4000 redline the old but trusty P40 motor]. Hoping to get away on a couple of trips here in WA which means hours of tarmac before getting to where you want to go. Tired of getting run down by roadtrains and traction engines. Many thanks............nissnut
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Reply By: djm67 - Friday, Oct 27, 2006 at 16:30

Friday, Oct 27, 2006 at 16:30
Look at the calculators on this web page , it will take care of all your questions

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