Discussion About Terracan's

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:00
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Hi All,

Cdt submitted a previous post about suspension for Terracan's.

WOW, did it seem to stir up a hornest nest.

I did not realise that people were so touchy about make of vehicles.

Thanks

TonyG
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Reply By: PatrolBen - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:34

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:34
Not touchy at all. Some vechiles ARE better than others, it is just that certain people haven't yet realised it. Gronk is trying to say a Jerrycan is comparable to a LandCrusher or Troll which is clearly no the case. Two of the previous are ruggedly built, reliable vechiles, designed to tow and carry heavy loads over most forms of terrain for years on end without problems (3.0l GU's aside) and the other is an old pajero assmebled in a third world nation that someone used a scarpbook as a design board for. Then to top it all of bung on cheapy hancr@ps rubber to match the general build quality of the thing and then market it as a worthy rival aginast Pajeros, Pathfinders and the almighty Prado. Gimme a break.

People will continually measure CRD engines against the old stagers of Nissan and Toyota in perormance, economy, emmisions (who really cares about this anyway, if the majority of the population did we would all drive Prius's(damn good car anyway) and noise. This is all well and fine in city environments where these shopping trolleys will spend most of thier time but not acceptable in the Australian outback and the australian bush where bashability, rubbish fuel, roadside fixability and oilfield sized fuel tanks are neccisities and facts of life. Get one of these new vechiles and try to drive it around Oz with a 2 tonne load and a GVM approaching 5 tonne and see how long the thing lasts and how suddenly that top end go translates into diddly squat luggability over tall ranges when the temp gauge goes into the red zone and the fancy-dangly computers shut the latest fad down. GU's and the 100series may not be the latest/fanciest trucks on the road but that is not why they are bought in such large numbers.

The day korean karts outsell the real offroad brands is the day I surrender my license.
Ben
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:51

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:51
With such a balanced, factual, unbiased and accurate summary of vehicles for all the readers varied needs and budgets, its no wonder your opinions are so sought after and valued on this forum!!!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:59

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:59
What uneducated drivel can you scrounge up for your next retort!!

Every vehicle has a place and a purpose and it always takes one manufacturer to jump ahead before the REST folllow!!

Lets see how many manufacturers DONT follow the CRDi within the next five years!

Your "GUs and Lcruisers" wont be on the road very soon in current form....IFS, 3.0 hahahahaha...the 4.2 is dead it doesnt even meet current emmision standards!!

Open your mind....grow a brain and you just might learn something on this forum!!

Matt
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 18:52

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 18:52
I will give you my opinion in a couple of weeks when I have the car, I can compare against the Patrol and give feedback

Thanks

TonyG
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Follow Up By: PatrolBen - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 19:15

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 19:15
So in answer to previous statement about people being touchy about thier vechiles: The answer is yes!

And for IFS: I am keeping the GU for a while yet so I'll deal with this when the time comes to it.

I love fishing, so thanks for the 'catch'.
Ben
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:56

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:56
"...and the other is an old Pajero assembled in a third world nation that someone used a scrapbook as a design board for...."

Don't know much about South Korea do you? Yes they have poor farmers in the back blocks of the country, like we have aboriginals living in the bush, but their major cities would eat anything in Australia, and be at least comparable to anything in Japan. Stop watching M*A*S*H for your geography lessons.

If the Terracan is indeed a recycled Pajero, then the original design came from the same country as the other two vehicles you are espousing.

So do we turn a blind eye to the crappy Toyota front diffs, weak IFS and so on, and the Nissan 3 litre turbo-grenade.

BTW, how many FAILURES of Terracans have you ACTUALLY heard of or seen?

Remember Japan makes/made crap vehicles too, remember the Datsun 120Y, and early Pulsars? It's called "progress"....
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Reply By: Stu-k - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:50

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 17:50
I just hate cheap junk, would much prefer to spend the extra bucks on something that drives well and lasts.
Have had friends tell me how great the hywondi or kia is and when I have driven them you can tell why there cheap.
Good for people that need disposable cars to drive to work, but I would take the bus any day thanks
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 20:01

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 20:01
And how many small (but very roomy) vehicles do you know that have a full ladder chassis as the Kia Sportage does ? I have two sportage (long & short) and a Pajero. Except for ground clearance I take the sportage's anywhere an unmodified (snorkle) Pajero can go. And that includes deep water with bow wave over the bonnet.

Keep taking the bus, thats one more person with little reasoning power cluttering up the road.
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:06

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:06
Dont know what does and what doesn`t have a ladder chassis but I also dont think just cause a 4wd does its instantly good either.
My ex g/f wanted to buy a sportage so we went lookin and asking around, were told they are a poor manufacter and steer clear as the reliablity just isnt there.
But if your happy with yours thats great, I may have been miss informed by mags and mates that work on em.

Cya.......got a bus to catch
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Reply By: madfisher - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 18:54

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 18:54
Funny thing, about 40 years ago people were saying the same things about jap. crap. It was about this time when the toyotas were starting to take over from Landrover. A lot of the old fellas at the time reckoned the jap stuff would only last a couple of years and they were going to stick to Landies. The Snowy Mountains Scheme put Toyota in the spotlight when they could outlast and outperform the Landies
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: roofscooter2 - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 19:08

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 19:08
Some people on this forum are so full of themselves that they put their perspective to justify their means ($$$$)'s spent on their rigs & bugger anyone elses needs of affordability.Patrol Ben if your happy going into debt with your rig so be it,other people may not want to be in such debt.Just like you this my opinion.
Bob.
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 23:43

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2006 at 23:43
You lot all need to get a life and get real

AND

Get a JEEP as it is the only 4WD worth blowing your bags about.
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:51

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:51
Never a truer word has been spoken on here!!!!!!!
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Reply By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 04:48

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 04:48
I notice that Captain (WA) Clot is still playing Fullback for the Arabs!
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 05:06

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 05:06
Forgot to add, I can't see the logic in a person that goes from a Landcruiser to a new 3ltr Patrol & then spends money on a D-Tronic to keep up with a Jerrycan, when he should have bought the other origonally. Never mind Captain, one has to justify the end result !
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:45

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:45
Hi Shane,

Still don't see the logic in that I should have bought the other originally (didn't want an IFS 4WD or tailgate doors or... back then). I am very happy with the 3.0TD GU, as I was with my cruiser as I am sure I would have been with any vehicle I chose - because it would have suited my requirements.

Are either vehicles perfect, NO, but at least I have owned them (and many others) and know first hand their advantages and disadvantages. As my GU clocked its 3rd birthday this weekend, I am now up for a new 4WD. So tell me, what I should get this time!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:08

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:08
I'll take a small bet & say it won't be a 3ltr Nissan ! And the second bet will be that you will wait for the new Diesel Cruiser to arrive for your perusal, that is if you are still 4WDing. Cheer up Captain, it was only a small line put out with only a small prawn & I really didn't expect a bite. But I know deep down you wanted the Terracan but you chose the Nissan as the former wouldn't suit the neighborhood. Cheers !
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:35

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:35
Hi Shane,

Not a bad guess! But main reason for no Nissan is the woeful support by Nissan for their product, I am happy with the 3.0TD. And yes, the cruiser is high on my list as I have resigned myself that virtually all 4WD's will be IFS before long. Virtually crossed off the Disco after two tests by different 4WD magazines have had the electrics fail when off-road. But the sleeper is the H3 Hummer, if Holden bring it out in 2007, no good reason for it, apart from I want one! As for a Hyundai not suiting the neighbourhood, well I happen to own one, a Hyundai Trajet, the 7 seat people mover! And no need for me to cheer up, I am already happy with my lot and I certainly hope you are too with yours. As for taking the bait, maybe..., or did I just choose to ignore the jibes and respond in a friendly manner?

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 15:25

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 15:25
Yes ! I was baiting you & I hope there is no hard feelings. Too many people these days seem to condem other people choices in regard to vehicles & can be very one eyed (& I'm not referring to you in any way) at bagging a product without any prior knowledge of it. As I say I owned one of these little blighters for a low 13,000k's before going back to a sedan. I surmised that I would need the size of the Cruiser to tow my boat due to the weight of it, untill I happened to go from the G/Coast to Rockhampton & back, & saw a total of 4 Terracans towing very large vans. To add to my surprise was a Terracan pulling a Bertram 25 on a backroad, how, I don't know or care, but I can tell you I kept well away from him at the time, & not a Walloper in site. Bertrams are very heavy boats & I reckon all up he was pulling over 3 1/2 tons, but its obvious it had the power to pull the thing up a ramp. They do have a good low range like the Cruiser, whereapon I think the Nissan is higher, but combine that with their power to weight & they are pretty effective, especially in Auto form. Anyway enjoy your new Cruiser if you get it, as I feel it is going to be a real challenge for Nissan to keep up to Toyota if the new Diesel engine purports to be what is rumoured. Cheers !
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 17:58

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 17:58
Have a look at the jeep commander to if you are lookin at a hummer, with new suspension there a good thing.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:32

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:32
As a Terracan owner, I would have previously come on and defended the vehicle.

These days I don't bother. As long as I'm happy, that's all that matters to me. I just have a giggle at some of the "know all" yo-yo's. They've already made fools of themselves, there's not anything I could add ROFLMAO.
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:02

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:02
Jimbo,

Well said.

Aparantly, having respect for others, and respecting their own personal reason for buying a certain type of vehicle does not happen any more.
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Follow Up By: tomjones83 - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:34

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:34
Jimbo,

Another well said.

The choice of vehicle is up to the person that wants to drive it. Me personally, my choice was to go with a Patrol. I have had a bad experience with a Lantra which steered me off Hyundai. But then again, I have had an even worst expereince with a Pulsar.

I wanted a massive rig with all the niceties and plenty of grunt. I bought a TI patrol. Heavyish on fuel but it has the sheer power and torque to drag it over anything that I want to take it over.

I am sure constructive points are taken well; Ie. Terracan doesn't have the drivetrain necessary to complete blah blah or Patrol's 4.8l is bloody thirsty, but the 'bagging' that continually goes on "Jap crap" "hyundai this - hyundai that" isnt necessary.

As Tony G said... Respect for other people's vehicles and property would be nice. You never know... you might need the Terracan to pull you out of the sand one day!

Cheers
Tom
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Reply By: Redback - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:41

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 07:41
Funny stuff , i love it

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 22:25

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 22:25
Too funny for words
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Reply By: Alex01 - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:31

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:31
Long time reader, seldom poster.

As a former owner of a Kia Sorrento, I think I qualify in terms of making an informed opinion on Hyundai's / Kia's.

I think the Koreans are catching up very fast to the Japs. It could be 10 years, 15 and they will be on a level pegging with the Japs.

However, until then... on paper, feature-wise and looks... they seem like a bargain. Its not until you live with them daily (a new Kia Sorrento for 15 months) that you then come up against the extensive minor faults that add up.

Kia Mechanic - Don't drive too fast on the beach, they aren't made for it.... sand gets flicked up into....

Rubbish Lights - Highbeams

The way the Auto changes gears is dreadful, not a quick snap into gear, but a "hunting between gears".

Father-In-Law (Panel Beater): Koreans Paint processes are still not up to scratch with the japs.

The suspension is truly woeful - a minor (I stress, MINOR) road imperfection on a highway, and the back-end skips sideways. Put OME on and it was a 50% improvement, but still not satifactory.

Driving the car home from the dealers and the radio doesn't work (common fault). Had it fixed 4 times, and went and got an aftermarket one instead.

Thin & cheap cloth seats that rip easily, Leather was rubbish as well.

2 months in, a rattle in the back I couldn't get rid of.

Driving up a hill and put into tiptronic mode and it wouldn't work up or down gears and lost the display on the dash. Turning the car on / off reset it.

Insulation, road & noise is not up to scratch.

Its all the little things that added up and made my mind, not to buy Korean again until they can truly be compared with the Japs.

And the kicker is..... drum roll..... Resale value after owning it for 15 months :(((((

$33K driveaway = too good to be true... and it is.... theres a reason its so cheap... its 1/2 a car.

Thank You.

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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 17:50

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 17:50
Damn I was wrong after all, sounds great!!!!!!! LOL
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Reply By: the hog - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 14:48

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 14:48
stuff all time reader, 2nd time poster

get a real 4by. nuff said
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 21:43

Thursday, Oct 26, 2006 at 21:43
stuff all time reader, 2nd time poster,

AND a multiple wanker
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Follow Up By: the hog - Friday, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:47

Friday, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:47
I'll buy that, sporting two hip shooters here son
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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 13:39

Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 13:39
As with most things on any forum, it seems to be about who can beat their chest the loudest or who's is bigger. In actually fact, it usually turns out that someone who bags a vehicle or product are the ones who have never used or driven it. As a owner of a jackaroo, it sometimes comes under the title of a lesser 4wd. I also have a 100 series cruiser, both cars are good, both have their advantages but the Jack will always be the fav, it has taken me more places and returned me home safely. It has gone where many other vehciles wouldn't and where drivers of the larger 4wds have turned around.

I have also seen Jimbo put his terracan in places others have shy'd away from.

In the end, who cares what you drive, as long as you are out there enjoying life and this great counrty.

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