Imported vegie oils in Bio Diesel will be GM

Hi John - no doubt the price will zoom up. This will prove that GM modified bio diesel is not a good idea because it costs more. Regards, Motherhen

Hmmm! obviously the power has been restored to your area after the Terang 'minister for anything and everything as well as magic' blew up the western district sub station the other day attempting to Dr WHO and turn his Z30 3L heap of Chit into a JEEP 3L CRD.

Or is it slow your way to-nite

Not so in WA we are yet to start harvest proper..

And were does it say that the imported oil would be GM modified?

And I think you may need to re-read the thing on GM food (plants) it's not the amount of genes we consume It's the un-known

Pinky

I don't claim expertise in this, but J and M, I think you are missing the same point re GM and climate change. It is the speed of the changes that is the problem. We have always had GM, It's what evolution is all about. Previous changes have usually occurred very slowly which has allowed eco systems to adapt with them. When things change fast, gene pools get wiped out. A bit like releasing cane toads and cacti into a new environment that hasn't had a long period of time to adjust with the specifics of that species. The real issue isn't whether or not GM is safe to eat.
Similarly climate. We have had this sort of weather before, but we haven't had change in major patterns occurring at anything like the present rate. The environment will adjust but it will be a lot harder for us and our settlement patterns and economic systems to adjust. We are going to have to do a lot better than keeping our fingers crossed that "this is just a bit of an abnormality and soon it will return to normal."

Re Biodiesel. Lots of our bio is made from byproducts of abattoirs rather than grain. These factories (SA and WA) will have an initial glut as herds are sold off - then what?

I still don't think people are getting it. We are really keen to sweep this under the bed by dismissing the greens as crackpots. The data simply is that the changes really are happening and none of us want to contemplate what this means. The rain is still falling as it did in the past. But in recent years , the whole belt has been pushed further south so it is now dropping in the ocean. You wouldn't want to gamble too much that the drought will be followed by a big wet just because that is what has always happened before.

John R
I don't follow the point you are making???

John, OK, I am with you.

There is no way I am going to put any General Motors oil in my Land Rover !

Well done JohnR, haven't heard you so public on the matter before.
here are a few points worth thinking about....

many fish & chip shops use cotton seed oil, cottonseed is not segregated into gm & non-gm anywhere as far as I know.

resultant oils be they cottonseed canola or whatever contain no genetic material

the earth has had a somewhat erratic cooling and heating cycle which oscilates about every 1500 years.

this cycle has a high degree of correlation with a 1500 year cycle of sun spot activity.

most of the current warming in this cycle happenned before emissions ramped up

changes in surface temperatures are not reflecting in atmospheric temeratures

genetic modification changes a miniscule amount of genetic information (1-5 genes on current technology), natural breeding techniques change 1/2 the genes in each generation(tens of thousands of genes depending on species).

the greens ARE crackpots.

only the last of these is a statement of opinion although it is a commonly held belief.........

NickR

With my truck having a "a yank-tank" engine it has no problem running on USA Genetically Modded bio-diesel. In fact the engine came from the US of A with a sticker on the rocker box, stating in big bold letters - "Use only GM Canola Bio-diesel in this engine".

;)

Bilbo

PS - the sticker also went on to say ",,,,,,,,,,,but don't eat the chit!!"