Fitting ALKO Suspension to my Camper

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Hi,
I have decided to replace my worn out slipper spring trailer suspension with the ALKO independant rubber setup. I have read all the previous posts for and against this type of suspension.

Has anyone fitted their own ALKO independant rubber suspension and have any advise photos or comments.

Cheers

Geordie
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Reply By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:59

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:59
OK so nobody has tried fitting their own.

Has anyone with the ALKO independent rubber suspension got any comments on or can post a photo of how it is mounted to the chassis. Also I would be interested to hear how it travels and how far down the trailing arm sits when loaded to the rated capacity.

My camper has la light weight alloy hard top section that flips over and a steels chassis. The whole thing fully loaded has 620kg on the axles and about 50kg on the draw bar depending on gear in the front storage box, so it is not a heavy camper.

I am trying to work out how much of a box section I need to weld to my chassis to get the axle at the correct ride height. Any photos would be appreciated.

Cheers
Geordie

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Reply By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:02

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:02
OK so nobody has tried fitting their own.

Has anyone with the ALKO independent rubber suspension got any comments on or can post a photo of how it is mounted to the chassis. Also I would be interested to hear how it travels and how far down the trailing arm sits when loaded to the rated capacity.

My camper has a light weight alloy hard top section that flips over and a steel chassis. The whole thing fully loaded has 620kg on the axles and about 50kg on the draw bar depending on gear in the front storage box, so it is not a heavy camper.

I am trying to work out how much of a box section I need to weld to my chassis to get the axle at the correct ride height. Any photos would be appreciated.

Cheers
Geordie
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Follow Up By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:10

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:10
Oops I meant to post a photo not repeat the last post.
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:23

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:23
Sorry Geordie C

I would say NO....
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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:58

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:58
Hi Geordie,

Where in WA are you? I have a Southern Cross camper trailer with ALKO suspension. We've had positive experience with the suspension and have taken our camper on numerous trips, including a fair bit of off road. If interested you are more than welcome to come over and have a look. I live NoR. Send me a member mail to set this up if you want to.

The rubber block is mounted within a steel tube (not circular section) and this is simply welded to the trailer chassis. Alignment needs to be precise as there dosn't appear to be a means of adjustment. I suspect that this could be incorporated into the mounting arrangement; however added complexity may be a potential failure mode. We've had no issues with tyres wearing unevenly so guess ours is OK.

The trailer rides really well, especially when loaded. I thought it might be limited on corrugated roads but found it tows just fine and no issues with internals, including camper fridge, kitchen, etc.

Regards,
Hugh

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Follow Up By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 01:52

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 01:52
Excellent, thanks Hugh.
I would love to have a look and will send you a message.

Cheers
Geordie
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:36

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:36
I am surprised to hear that yours is welded in, if you look here www.alko.com.au/vehicle/axles/irs.html you will see that they are intended to be bolted in.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 13:10

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 13:10
G'day Shaker,

Now you've got me. I was going from memory and right now it may have been an old timers moment with my comments. I'll crawl under tonight and double check. Bolting in does make more sense, not only for alignment but also replacement if something goes wrong. I'll update you with findings.

Turns out that Geordie lives close by so he'll pop over for a look himself.

Hugh
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 21:16

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 21:16
Hi Shaker,

Just been out and checked the camper trailer. The axle tube and mount are exactly as in the picture per ALKO link, complete with bolted joint. So you're correct, the axle should be bolted on. Now to show I wasn't totally bonkers, who ever manufactured the trailer for Southern Cross campers has then gone and welded the front and rear face of the mounting flange to the chassis. Well in this instance to the 10mm plate packer welded to the chassis that I assume has been used to get adequate threaded section for the mounting bolts. No doubt the welds makes it all fail safe but if I had to replace or adjust alignment, then I'd have to grind back the weld. At least it is just the front and rear face (~ 5cm) and not the sides (~ 20cm). Touch wood no issues so far.

Regards,
Hugh
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:38

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:38
Hi Geordie,

Phoenix Caravans (Caboolture, Qld) use the Alko suspension in their off-road vans. They've been around for quite a while and seem to know what they're doing, so perhaps they could assist you. You could also talk to Adrian at Caboolture Caravan Repairs (just down the road from Phoenix). I realise you're in WA but it might be worth a phone call - what Adrian doesn't know about trailer/van suspension probably isn't worth knowing.
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Follow Up By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:24

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:24
Ian thanks,
I will have a look at one locally first. But I might give them a call if I need more details.
Cheers
Geordie

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Reply By: pajo - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 23:10

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 23:10
Hi Geordie
Alko suspension works best when it is fully loaded. I had trouble with caravan with Alko. found that it wanted to sway around a lot and that it wanted to lift wheels. I think that it was too rigid and did not work. I remove it and replaced with springs and shackles.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 00:42

Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 00:42
Geoff
thanks that is interesting to hear. I had heard that some trailers were using purposely overrated ALKO rubber suspension to get a higher ride height and stronger spring. I suppose the result is a harsher ride and like you say a tendency to sway and bounce. Part of the sway can be accounted for by the loading balance of a trailer

I have had slipper springs on my trailer and have been over some very rough roads from WA north, SA, Vic to Tas. The poor thing has been belted over rocks corrugations and through pot-holes for about 60,000km of travel and is stuffed.

The problem is the height of my trailer and chassis will not allow me to fit taller or longer eye to shackle springs or independent coil suspension. It is only a light weight trailer being mostly alloy with steel chassis (typically 650 to 750 kg fully loaded for a long trip). The light spring rate leaf springs that I can find are a bit too flimsy for my liking and the heavier non rebound springs are far too stiff.

I will keep what you say in mind. I have ordered ALKO suspension rated for a load of 850 kg on my trailer that is rated for 750 so that should according to ALKO give me a good compromise between soft rebound and carrying capacity.

They mentioned that some trailers had used their 1250 kg axles on trailers rated to only 750 kg without brakes and that these tended to bounce.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 09:41

Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 09:41
In Victoria the suspension rating has to be 120% of the ATM.

750kg x 120% = 900kg

So your 850kg rating wouldn't comply.
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Follow Up By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 16:47

Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 16:47
Shaker
that is interesting that they have a manditory 120% over rating in VIC. My axle is being made in Melbourne and is supposed to be legal throughout Australia.

Don't get me wrong I probably was not very clear on what I called "rating", I was talking about the set spring rate rather than legal load rating.

The axle rating is actually 1250 kg however, you can have them set the rubber component to be at the best rebound rate, as well as correct caster and camber for the load that the trailer is intended to carry. In my case this is less than 850 kg so that is the minimum they will set on this axle. I checked with ALKO and the axle and hub is 1250 kg and the set load is 850 plus 20 % as you said. So the maximum carrying load would be 1020 kg.

Geordie
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Nov 07, 2006 at 16:57

Tuesday, Nov 07, 2006 at 16:57
Thats good, just thought you should be aware.
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