Dilema...Selling the 3.0tdi Patrol...but what do I get?

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 20:56
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HELP!

I've decided to part with the uch loved Series III 3.0Tdi Patrol for something different but what do I get now?

I'm only selling the thing because the Mrs wants an Auto (and I wouldn't mind one either really) but what do I get?

My plan was to get another Patrol but with all the 'stories' around about the 3.0Tdi I thought I might try something else.

I like the Prado but the diesel is a bit under powered ( I know the new diesel is coming) and I like the Petrol but $$$ thirsty I believe...may as well go the V8 cruiser YES/NO...your thoughts please???

Or...what else? We're a family of five and like the 7 seater option of the Mid - large 4x4. There seems such a big choice.

What about the new Paj???

Was thinging maybe a 2nd hand late 100series V8 could be the go. I know they're not as economical as the diesel but servicing V running costs is there much $$$ in the long run??? I've heard they're not that bad...any 1st hand stories?

Over to you, thanks in advance.
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Reply By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:06

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:06
Hi Andrew,

Mate this is a dillema.

My suggestion, and only my suggestion, others may differ

- If family of 5 with kids over 10yo, then you should only look at the bigger 4x4's, ie Patrol of 100Series Cruiser.

- Get the newest with the money you have available, as smaller 4x4's will drive your family crazy with everyone squashed in.

I am personally a diesel fan, but I have heard really good reports about the petrol cruisers, except for fuel usage

Thanks

TonyG
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Follow Up By: Andrew(WA) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:13

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:13
Hi Tony

Basically mate..I agree. I'd rather have the diesel but the extra $15 - 20 grand up front is a big leap.

The $15 grand is a lot of unleaded..even today. I can service a Petrol myself to saving even more. These are all factors to way up.

Cheers

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:18

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:18
Hi Andrew,

Spot about differnce in purchase price between the petrol & diesel models with the cruiser.

It was for that very reason that I went for the Patrol, as diesel engine was not a lot dearer that the petrol engine.

Also, we have 3 teenage kids, and at times the rear of the patrol is not big enough for them. I would think the cruiser would be slightly wider than the Patrol

Thanks

TonyG
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:20

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:20
Just for fun

i purchased a friend of a mine a LX470 or you can call it a rebagged 100 V8 sahara . After driving it , I was wrapped with take off and that nice V8 sound.

2 nights ago , we were at a set of lights and we took off hard , I was amazed that he only jumped my 4.5 100 series by one car length and stayed at that distance.

Then we did the 60 kms hr test , both hit the gas and it was neck and neck through all the gears.

I am waiting for some fuel consumtion results and ill post them here in the next couple of days.

In the 4.5 I did a border run , and took a Jerry with me to do a proper full tank to Km test , I got to 810 km and still hadnt run out , I was wrapped , considering the TD only gets around 1000 kms with the same amount of fuel .

I know its slightly off topic , but could help myself

cheers
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 23:07

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 23:07
you mean greg, probably his 18inch bling rims :)~

has he sold the paj yet?
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Reply By: John R (SA) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:50

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:50
Sister & Bro-in-law have had a run of LC wagons.

Bought a petrol wagon about three or four years ago (much cheaper than the diesel, as mentioned above). They've gone back to diesel for milage & fuel cost reasons.

Not much, but hopefully it helps a little.

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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:55

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 21:55
A JEEP you fool, Buy a JEEP and you will never look back.
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Follow Up By: Andrew(WA) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:18

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:18
Lucy

Didn't you mean.."by a jeep if you're a fool?" LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:34

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:34
Andrew - did you know:-

Foolish writers and readers are created for each other.

(ROFLMAO)
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:06

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:06
Yeah go the Commander with the TD merc engine, instead of a cookie cutter
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 21:42

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 21:42
If you are still stuck at the start, there is nothing to look back to.

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Reply By: Dave198 - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:04

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:04
I am not going to suggest one or the other, but while taking into consideration the extra cost of the diesel, whats the difference in price of , say a 3 Y/O diesel as against an eqivalent petrol job.
Maybe the price difference will be recouped to some degree at replacement time.
Given the history of fuel prices and engine options over the last 3 - 4 years, I would think the diesel would be easier to move on when it comes to replacing it down the line.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:35

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:35
funny you say that Dave, when we had the petrol scare , diesels took the biggest fall . As people were more comfortablewith 6's on gas .
Now that fuel is on track for the time been , diesel vehicles are back up there in price.

The first fuel scare in October last year saw everyone running for cover on Petrol vehicles and looking for Diesel .

What happens next is a big guess .

I think the need for diesel vehicles in Australia isnt as important as it was years ago. The other major issue , is the quality of our diesel and the lack of mechanics that can service and repair diesel engines.

the diffrence between a diesel and petrol is 800 per both tanks and 1000 kms on 2 tanks , I worked it out at $40 a fortnight saving , diesel vehicles are 10k more expensive on purchase .
I hope i got this equasion right , 40 into 10,000 is 250 assuming it will take you 2 weeks to burn both tanks ( average family 4by ) so 250 fortnights works out to to 500 weeks , devided by 56 weeks in the year, thats 8.9 weeks . Even if you did use both your tanks in a week , that 4.4 years to pay off the 10 k .

Now we havent begin to talk about how expensive it is to repair a diesel

food for thought
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:38

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:38
sorry corection. that 8.9 years not weeks lol
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 00:08

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 00:08
Factor in resale as well.

Working on a diesel? Only time I have ever had to do this was to change timing belts, adjust valve shims and the usual oil and filters. No different to what I would do on a petrol.
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Follow Up By: Matt.D (WA) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 00:47

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 00:47
Good equation but only 52 weeks in the year. :-)
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:58

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:58
you cant compare petrol to diesel repairs 0ff track , diesel engine rebuild 7 to 10 k petrol engine rebuild 2 to 5 k

injectors , petrol starting at 50 diesel , well check todays share price lol

diesel injection pump, nothing under 3 k ., yes I have heared of 1500 dollar repairs , also seen how long they last.

Just my opinion
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:14

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:14
Yes but how many have had major work done to their diesel???? Apart from Injector pump overhaul the cost difference is buggerall.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:09

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:09
I believe alot of people are going for the v8 due to false economy. the resale of the vehicle will far outstrip the cheaper purchase price and servicing. One only needs to look at the 80 series for proof the TD 80 srie are fetching at least 2wice as much as the petrol conterparts
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 17:43

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 17:43
sorry off track , ill have to disagree with this. I dont understand the bugger all diffrence. a $3000 injection pump is not bugger all . Nore is the cost of a engine overhall . Would be good to hear from people with diesel engines that hade done this exersice , from my experience in my past workshops , a full diesel engine overhall was between 8 to 10 k , to be done properly with new sleaves .

its great that we have a difference of opinion as its what makes the world go round.

I guess I should start what I am saving now on the new injection gas . Well lets say enough for a rebuild every 2 years

chears , haver a good one
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:20

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:20
I dont disagree with the $$ you quoted Rocky just that unless you keep a diesel for more than 300K (usually much more) then you will not have to rebuild it. You may not even need the injector pump done if really lucky.
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:58

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:58
unfortunantly there not building the as they use to , that goes for the petrol also. People who use there diesel vehicles in the country , i think will get a great run, the city used vehicles , dont do as well. In saying all this . If Toyota do reliese the twin turbo V8 diesel , and it has more kw than the petrol , I will be the first to line up to get one lol
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Reply By: vuduguru - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:40

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:40
Andrew,
1stthand... My 100V8 replaced a 95 commodore with dickie seats. 4 kids, note: fits a set of grandparents when required. As has been stated the difference in price between TD and V8 buys a lot of fuel, difference was 12k when purchased, 03 model now with 85K kms. A magazine I read at the time said conservatively 100k min to recoup the difference, I suspect more. Mind you I was putting $170 dollars worth of fuel in at the height of the "crisis". However that was bi fortnightly. Not spent a cent out off warranty, even has original brake pads. You could do a lot worse than a 100V8.
Good luck
Shane
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Follow Up By: vuduguru - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:43

Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 22:43
PS did I say I love my 100V8. [insert grunting sounds] |*)
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Reply By: one4dirt - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 06:03

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 06:03
Hi there,

I'm in the same dilemma as you to Andrew.

I have four kiddies and want to get dirty as well. I'm looking at Patrol and Cruiser in Auto form. I was looking at Prado and Pathfinder but I thought that the kids are only going to get bigger and I can't turn a medium 4x4 a large one. So I think the biggest is my solution.
As well I'm weighing up TD v Petrol.

I found this calculator which works it all out for you as far as fuel economy goes.
Site Link

In looking at the 2nd hand Cruiser and just as an example a 2002 6cyl Petrol with 80k costs 32k and a T/D with same 80k costs 45k. (Same car yard too)

But what you do get with a T/D is all that low down torque and well known reliability.

I give up....
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Reply By: Robin - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:33

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:33
Hi Andrew

While I'd personnally go for the more powerful 4800 patrol , I think you can't go wrong with a V8 cruiser.

Currently I see adds on TV for them at $56 K , no more than they were years ago.

So these run out models are seriously good value , and the life cycle cost is lower than the diesels , so how could you go wrong.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: madfisher - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 13:59

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 13:59
Actually the 4l v6 in the prado is a very economical motor. Not much diff. to the current diesel. Best my mate has done is 11.5l 100k. Hurtsa bit when you go to fill it though and it goes similar power figs to v8
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 15:15

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 15:15
TD6 and convert to Auto :)
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Follow Up By: PatrolBen - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 15:36

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 15:36
Make sure you get the 4.2 before those treacherous greenies have thier latest victory at our expense
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Reply By: Redback - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 15:40

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 15:40
What about a Terracan :-))) Tony G loves them.

Sorry ;-))
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 16:14

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 16:14
Hi Redback

Ouch.......

I do love them, because of their price compared to other sized 4x4's.

But I am using it as a daily driver for the wife to kart the kids around.

Others say that they are a capable off road car, I don't know because I have not tried that yet.

I also decided to have the Patrol to be my bush bashing machine, which is very capable, and does a great job. Can cart family and a heap of stuff around with no proplems

Only problem is the Patrol is $15K dearer than the Terracan, and I don't have enough spare cash to run 2 big cars. Also, the wife is sick of using the Patrol as the daily driver, as she thinks it is too big, hence the smaller size 4x4.

But hey, to each his own, and yes you hooked me.............well done

Thanks

TonyG
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