Snakes alive !

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Been warnings on the radio here in SE Qld about the large numbers of browns on the march looking for water now it's warmed up a tad. The local newspaper ran an article short while ago about Byron Bay being NOT the place to frolic through the long grass (on any street)
Last brown I accidentally got close to (and froze like a pengy at -50) was at Gladstone earlier in the year. I blame this population explosion on the toads, the black snakes not being fast learners eat the mongrels and die, thereby allowing more juvenille browns to survive. Seems like Hobsons choice anyway. Browns eat lizards, tree-snakes like frogs.

Watch where yer stepping.
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T-Rib
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Reply By: porl - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 18:39

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 18:39
ta for that, I'm off to moreton this weekend, very relevant ....
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 19:42

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 19:42
Are young Brown snakes part of the normal diet of Black snakes? I didn't know they ate their own?
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Follow Up By: T-Ribby - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 20:03

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 20:03
Yes they are. The red-bellied black snake preys on juvenille eastern browns and probably other species, this is why there has been an increase in browns, the toads are wiping out
one of their main predators. I 'aint no herpatologist but I always carry a reptile kit in the wagon.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 20:08

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 20:08
Thanks for that - I didn't know.

>but I always carry a reptile kit in the wagon

You and me both! :)

Seems like a good time to post a couple of links to snake like things:

Australian Venom Research Unit
www.avru.org/

www.usyd.edu.au/anaes/venom/snakebite.html

www.usyd.edu.au/anaes/venom/spiders.html

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:24

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:24
Hi Mike,
Don't know if you're familiar with the Mudgee/Ulan area of NSW? But if you are, next time you pass through Ulan stop at the pub.
They have a fascinating photo on the wall of a large black snake with a brown snake considerably bigger juvenile halfway down its throat!

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:26

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:26
Bugger, that should have been,

"considerably bigger than juvenile halfway down its throat!"

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:42

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:42
Thanks Geoff, I'll keep an eye out for it - and the snakes :)
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Reply By: Footloose - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 19:42

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 19:42
Now there's NO chance of me slashing and cutting the property :))))))))))
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Reply By: Andrew (Bris) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:26

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:26
Don't know whether it's the toads, or the weather. I've never seen so many snakes before. In the last month I've spent weekends in the Samford area, Coffs Harbour, and near Urbenville. On each weekend I saw at least two snakes. I haven't seen more than two snakes in any year, anywhere, except when in Tassie a couple of years ago. Tassie in summer a couple of years ago seemed to be teeming with tiger snakes, and the little Copperheads.

Samford area weekend - 4 browns.
Coffs - 2 Red belly blacks and a big carpet python.
Malara Creek area (north NSW) - 2 red belly blacks.
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Follow Up By: T-Ribby - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:46

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 21:46
Think I'd be giving the Samford area a wide berth until winter !.
Not sure why there is a sudden rash of slitheries - perhaps it is related to a rash of food in the
form of either small rodents or lizards/frogs. Plus it's warmer earlier this summer.
Talking to a bloke inland from Tweed and he was saying the snakes are coming in from the fields to under his house looking for shade & water early - I suggested he build shaded water stations out in the fields to keep the beggars out there ! The red belly blacks are nowhere near as venomous as the browns and the browns have attitude.
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Follow Up By: Member - John L (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 17:47

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 17:47
Hi there from Coffs Harbour.

Pleased to hear we've got plenty of Red Bellies in Coffs. Yes they do eat Browns and not only juveniles. Please, please don't kill the Red Bellies.
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Reply By: porl - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:15

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:15
bugger, and i was planning on spending some weekends this summer at my parent's weekender at samford.

Ok, what is and where in the world do you get a reptile kit from ? (just googled to no avail) Or is it a collection of various sized bandages to apply to different areas of the body as torniquet ?
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Follow Up By: T-Ribby - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:30

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:30
I got mine at a camping/caravan show from a reptile awareness display. They are a bright red belt pouch containing a pressure bandage and a sling. Phone contact number for them is
02 6761 5883 or fax 02 6761 5884. Cost iirc was around $20. There are some links on a post above which tell you what to do - using a torniquet is useless as the venom travels through the lymphatic system before entering the bloodstream - the idea is to stop/slow down the poison before it gets there. Alternatively you could get a pharmacy to supply you with a long pressure bandage (longer the better) a sling, and a pressure pad.
There's plenty of useful info on the net about using snake kits.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:40

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 23:40
Two crepe bandages about 75mm to 100mm wide by 5m long will do the trick. About $8 each from a pharmacy. See the links in my earlier post, particular the AVRU, for how to use them. Splints can usually be made from branches or similar.

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Follow Up By: Member - John L (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 17:52

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 17:52
Hi Mike,

Pleased to see there's so many snake people around. The other good advise is to move around as little as possible. With properly applied bandages and splints and no movement you have at least 24 hours to get medical assistance.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:40

Monday, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:40
Reptiles are rather adaptable, at least in regards to chow time :))))

Snakes : Cannibalism
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:09

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:09
great info , although i a officialy bleep ting myself lol
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:23

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 00:23
aaaaaargh we are all going to die -------- Someones found out there are snakes in OZ blooody hell sick of listening to snake parania crap just gives everyone justification to kill anything that wriggles. spent plenty of time bushwalking for work and play in long grass whatever and I dont even know of any one getting bitten that wasnt mucking about with them.
As for freezing when seeing one- how about obseving it, they are not rapant death machine killers. You might evenget some appreciation for them instead of spreading this all too common drivel
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Follow Up By: handy - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:35

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:35
there was a bloke killed by a western brown in alice last week.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:06

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:06
"there was a bloke killed by a western brown in alice last week."

He walked on it in the dark, barefooted.

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Follow Up By: T-Ribby - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:14

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:14
If I was going to get paranoid about anything it would be the attitude of drivers - they are more lethal than any snake.

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Follow Up By: Hairy - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 19:08

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 19:08
Geoff,
Meaning what?
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Follow Up By: handy - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 20:06

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 20:06
yeah i was wondering the same thing myself hairy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 22:24

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 22:24
meaning there are snakesin australia and just a few very basic precautons will ensure you are are more likely to be hit by lightning than die by snakebite.
I realize my post was offensive and I applaise (I had a few for my b day) but I have had to watch loosers from work waste legless lizards, pythons and snakes out in the bush where they belong because of snake hysteria which IMHO is completlety unfounded lived in the country most of my life and never had even so much as a near miss
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 22:25

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 22:25
people don't realise that snakes are particularly active at night. But you'd have to be pretty unlucky to stand on one at night.

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 22:30

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 22:30
Davoe,

LOL ... I thought your post was a bit out of character. Hope you had a good day and celebrated well.
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Reply By: Joombi - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:11

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:11
If you want to/have to walk through the bush while there is a cr@p load of snakes about, just make a bit more noise, they'll move on & just be a bit more careful. I've been tagged twice by browns but luckily both times (seperate occasions) they got the top of my work boot, 1st time I stood on him walking down a set of stairs & when I hit the bottom I felt a squishy thing under my boot then a whack on my leg and the second time I was walking through sparse bush with trails through the long grass & stood directly on it because my eyes were elswhere, now I walk through the grass to make noise & keep my eyes on the ground when there is no cover.
Browns are everywhere here all the time except maybe the week of cold weather we get a year, I've killed my share & have lost a dog to one but I'll only kill one now if its a danger to my family or me, same as anything.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:20

Tuesday, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:20
>just make a bit more noise, they'll move on

Death Adders won't.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 02:19

Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 02:19
Why not? Are they 'deaf adders'? LOL
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