Buying a caravan
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 16:23
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Lekkerkamp
Can those in the know please help. I'm in the market for a pop-top van. What is the smallest tandem axle van available on the market?? I'm looking at year models 1995 onwards.
It seems that no manufacturer have a standard tandem van available smaller than 17". There is some out there that is willing to custom build, but at a huge cost.
My ideal van is a 15" tandem pop-top. Any reason why small tandems are not popular??
Reply By: Matt(WA) - Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 17:26
Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 17:26
You dont need the extra axel for that size van. The amount of axel's is proportional to the weight of the van and the load carried. A 15ft caravans dont normal weigh over 1000kg's so it is fine to have a single axle. My 17ft van is only a single axel and weighs 1020kg empty and 1400kg loaded.
Matt
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Follow Up By: Lekkerkamp - Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 18:31
Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 18:31
Thanks for the feedback Matt. For my needs I require the surface area that 4
wheels could provide. I'm not concern about the weight it could carry.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:43
Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:43
What do you mean by "the surface area that 4
wheels provide"?
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Reply By: Member - BBB - Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 18:11
Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 18:11
Traveller will taylor make and they are not that much dearer than mass produced vans. You can contact Nomad Caravans at Burpangary QLD.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 21:21
Wednesday, Nov 01, 2006 at 21:21
Bushtracker do the tandems in as small as 14ft. You will need to hunt hard for a second hand one of these or put your hand DEEP in your pocket and buy new.
I wanted dual axle 15ft also when I was looking (I wanted to carry serious weight) in 2000 but nobody was really interested unless I ordered a custom built brand newie and even then there was only a couple of manufacturers interested in talking to me.
Good luck.
Trevor.
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 07:59
Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 07:59
As you've noticed and others have said, the only way you're likely to get a 15' tandem is an expensive custom-built job. Can I ask why you're sure you need four
wheels, if it's not for weight carrying?
A 15' poptop could easily be found or fitted with axles, bearings and hubs suitable for 31x10.5R15
wheels and that's quite a lot of contact area on the ground. Could even go to really big 33"+ tyres on 16" rims with a bit more work - plenty of soft surface flotation there.
For that matter, although I've never seen it done, I can't see any technical reason why a single axle van couldn't be fitted with dual
wheels, provded it was done with proper engineering certification and the relevant mods to wheel arches, etc.
So, what have you got in mind for this beast?
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Follow Up By: Lekkerkamp - Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 16:07
Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 16:07
Now that's the kind of feedback that I like. Now we can talk.
Bigger
wheels won't help. It would lift the towhook to high and then the van will run nose down and shift to much weight onto the ball (>80kg's) So, 4x small 13"
wheels will give similar surface area that big 33" muddies and it will fit into the storage space at my place.
Also, 4
wheels will give me the option to let the front 2 down when on soft sand to "level" the sand while I could keep the pressure on the back
wheels to carry the load when the surface suddenly change.
I've only got a small car and don't need a big 17" or 18" van.
And while were on the topic 4
wheels are much more stable in high winds.
Yes you can fit another axle, but as soon as you talk mods the
bright blue eyes from those who would do the work just turn into $$ signs.
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:51
Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:51
Hi Lek,
OK, I see what your getting at. I have to question a couple of your points through. Nose up or down attitude won't materially alter the ball weight (it doesn't alter the horizontal distance between ball and the axle by more than a couple of mm). Also many high clearance 'rough road' vans have a 'dropped' coupling to better line up with the tow ball and maintain a level attitude. Lastly, your ball weight target seems very low. I'd expect a strongly built 15' pop-top to come in at 1300 to 1500kg fully loaded so, according to the experts, you should have about 10% of that on the ball: 130-150kg. If you tow vehicle isn't rated for these sorts of figures, I'd rethink the whole thing.
Now, back to
wheels and axles. When I said "dual wheels" I meant dual
wheels on a single axle, like on a small truck, not single
wheels on tandem axles. As I said, I've never seen it done and it would certainly be a talking point wherever you went. But I can't see why it couldn't be done with proper engineering certification. Plenty of small trucks and large delivery vans run dual 13' or 14'
wheels, don't they? And I've seen a few dual wheel, single axle trailers behind trucks from time to time. Just trying a bit of lateral thinking.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Lekkerkamp - Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 13:43
Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 13:43
Brilliant!! Never thought about twin
wheels instead twin axles. Might get an old twin wheel trailer axle and fit that to the van. The design for that should be OK, or at least close.
Question is where could one find something like that?? Let the search begin.....
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 18:23
Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 18:23
Hi Lek,
Camper trailer and van axles with stub axles suited to Landcruiser and/or Patrol hubs & bearings are pretty common so I'd start by seeing if that size stub axle was shared by something like the dual axle hubs of Coaster/Civilian buses perhaps? (But maybe not, because the Japs are famous for making just about NOTHING common between different models).
There was a series of Mazda vans than ran 12" or 13" duals a one time too - don't know if they might be around the right size/load capacity. Ford Transit, Mercedes, Fiat, Iveco etc. vans also run duals in some models but we might be talking exotic prices for parts here.
Let us know how this project pans out, OK?
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Reply By: Pezza (Bris) - Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 13:57
Friday, Nov 03, 2006 at 13:57
And I'm sure everybody else that replied to this thread and was willing to help you thanks you very much for explaining to them the reasons behind your special needs so they could help you a little more, instead of just being ignored because they weren't giving you "the kind of feedback that you like" .
Pezza
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Reply By: Lekkerkamp - Monday, Nov 06, 2006 at 18:44
Monday, Nov 06, 2006 at 18:44
I guess that Pezza (Bris) just about finalize my thread. (Some of us are very quick at the keyboard). I've responded to those who ask further questions and we had a good talk. To those who provide me with more info and wished me good luck, a big thanks to you all. I'm still looking at the options but I'll let you know as soon as I design something that's working.
At least now I know that there is no small tandem axle van on the market that I might not know about.
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