People are amazing creatures arent we?

The difference between warranties expiring and having a reasonable expectation that your purchase should have a reasonable life can be somewhat different. e.g. if your Toaster blows up 15months after you purchased it then as you put it, tough titties but if your 3.0l Patrol blows up 3years after you purchased it, judging by other vehicle manufacturers engines lasting 300,000k then I think you would have a reasonable expectation to have a longer life to your motor and you would have every entitlement to feel hard done by when Nissan don't want to recognise the problem. That's my opinion

Unfortunately we live in a 'throw away' society. Many products are not made to last, and with our high cost of labour, it is often cheaper to replace than repair an appliance. This has created a huge disposal problem for modern society, and it is a waste of raw materials as more need to be mined or processed from somewhere. Where big business and government departments tender and base purchase on the price, this influx of cheaper goods to meet the market will continue. Big dollars doesn't always buy quality either. Young people these days are being brought up with the idea that everything is disposable and replaceable.

BTW we didn't buy the 3 litre because is was cheaper - it seemed like the vehicle we needed at the time (something different for "always been a cruiser man" as the advert goes), and fortunately it is still going strong.

Voxon

I agree with both you and deslexic. How's that for tactful.

Although I must admit I buy cheap to save money on some things and spend up on others.
For example I would buy a honda generator ( if I was that way inclined) instead of a cheapy. However I have bought cheap tools and box to do minor jobs on the van when we go away, if they die then stiff bikkies, If the genny died just out of warranty I'd probably kick up a stink.

And I'm real cheap when it comes to the cup today, first time ever I'm not in a sweep nor had a bet. Hw's that for cheap.lol.

Having dribbled all of the above I am sure I fit the 'amazing creature' category.

Seeya Bob

I had a 2003 3.0 Patrol which I have just sold (end of my lease) and I've just ordered another...call me a sucker for punishment! Yes, the decision was based on the price. I can't afford an auto 4.2 TD LC100 otherwise I would get one.

My friend had a heavily modified 2000 3.0 Patrol with 180,000km on the clock and the engine recently failed (just like the other examples already discussed to death on the Forum). His truck was 3 years and 80,000km over the warranty. After much haggling, Nissan replaced his motor all up for $3500. I know a lot of people bag Nissan (myself included) but getting a new motor for $3500 well outside of warranty seems quite reasonable to me. I suspect an engine rebuild would cost more than this.

Fortunately, or unfortnuately I don't keep my cars for more than 4 years so I'm hoping that I will never have to worry about engine failure...hence I'm quite happy to keep buying the cheap(er) Patrol.

The way I see it is that everyone should be entitled to a "reasonable" amount of "bang" for their "buck".

When it comes to the 3L patrol, unfortunately some of us (me included) have received too much "bang" and subsequently lost far to many "bucks".

In my opinion the problem lies somewhere between our expectations of the product and the manufacturers ability to produce something which is actually fit for it's purpose.

Des Lexic put it well, I thought. It depends on the type of product and it’s cost relative to other products which perform a similar function.

I recently bought a new toaster from Safeway, it cost $13. I tested it when I arrived home to make sure it wasn’t dead on arrival and then threw the receipt away, I don’t expect a $13 toaster to last more than a few months although it probably has a 12 month warranty and it will, probably, last for years.

However I do expect my camera which I paid $1200 for to last _well_ past it’s 12 month warranty otherwise I might just as well buy a cheap one for $200.

The problem with consumer goods is… the consumer! We demand product at the very cheapest prices and have created a throw-away society. When I was a child 40 years ago virtually nothing was thrown out in my family – we were too poor to waste things, my father could repair most things from shoes to bikes (couldn’t afford a car) and those skills were passed on to me and I still try to repair where I can. Someone was saying to me just yesterday how these skills have been, largely, lost today – how many young men could repair our utility object these days – how many know how to (properly) sharpen a knife?

Frankly; I’m bored to the teeth with this whole notion of “consumerism” – what bloody use are all these trinkets – the older I become the fewer “things” I find I need. One of the things I love about going bush is getting back to a very simple life – and I’m going to do just that for a few days prospecting, in the High Country, tomorrow :)

Mike Harding

Yes we are amazing creatures, we trully are. However as Aussies we are a darned site better than some other nationalities though we do tend to be lax as far as warranties are concerned....We rarely read the fine print, let alone instructions, we try & kill ourselves with proven methods eg smoking, eating, surfing etc. And when it all falls in a big heap we always manage to blame someone other than ourselves...We vote at elections for people who we KNOW are only in it for their own self engrandisment. I often ponder the fact that it's hard to soar like an eagle when I'm surrounded by penguins.....Should we not be worried about resolving the issues that make us human before we worry about Global Warming? Hell why are we on the planet anyway? Who put us here & why? More to the point do you realise that there are currently 50,000 Americans running around with "Alien Implants" in their bodies?
You guys are lucky, you are all sane, imagine how I see the world!
"Homo Sapiens - an amazing species" Hey hows that sound for a book title????

If you go to ACCC website there is some interesting info on this subject. All goods sold in australia are covered by a statutory warranty, the basis of this is for what it is, what you paid, and how long it lasts just as deslyxic has explained.
You may say proving it to the company is another story but when threatened with this law companys can fold.

just my two cents.

cackles

I will exempt myself.....lol

Cheers

Cackles has pointed out something we should all be aware of: statutory limitations.
If you purchase something and it has a warranty the manufacturer (or national distributor) has an obligation to honour that warranty for the stated period. This does not mean, however, that just because that warranty period expires the company which sold you the product no longer has an obligation towards you.

It works like this: if i purchase a crappy $25 drill with a 12 month warranty and it expires in 13 months, I probably shouldn't expect much better. If however I purchase a $500 drill which purports to be "trade quality" but has only 12 month warranty, and IT expires after 13months I have an excellent case to argue (and would almost certainly be backed up by the relevant consumer office and the courts) that this is unreasonable. The stated warranty is not necessarily the arbiter of reasonable use. Sometimes it's not worth the hassle of arguing but often it is. Don't be fooled by warranties, they are sometimes used as an excuse for poor quality control and service.

Also, if something does fail, even in the warranty period, it is the responsibility of THE COMPANY WHICH SOLD IT TO YOU to make good. They may use the manufacturer as an assessment body for the problem, but in the end they are directly responsible for fixing your problem. Again, don't be fobbed of whith excuses like "it's up to the manufacturer, it's out of our hands".

Sorry for the novel,

Cheers,

Mark

In two words......its a "KNOWN PROBLEM".

Nissan know the 3litre motors have a problem. In Australia they made a financial decision not to recall the motors.

They therefore are willing to listen to owners who consider a hole in a piston should never happen to any motor.

I am recovering from a shock, we had a sunroom put on the back of our house a few years back and now to my horror the panneling from which it is made is delaminating... complained to the manufacturer who sent a man around to have a look and who said that it will all have to be replaced...Not @ my expense I fumed... No he says the product has a lifetime warranty....I just wonder who's "lifetime" though...