U-Joint (spider) - how do I get the old ones out??

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 10:32
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Doing the CV's, swivel hubs, bearings, etc on the (t)rusty FJ60. Too easy - I just keep tripping over the empty stubbies :-)
However, I thought I'd do the full job and replace the U-Joints on the front/back prop shafts.
I've got 4 damn manuals, followed all the instructions except the one in the Toyo manual which called for a special tool and the sacrifice of a goat or a virgin.

I can't even SEE the circlips, let alone get them off. "Lightly tap, remove the circlip and press out the old..." is a joke. The caps appear welded to the housings, nothing I do seems to move them a thou.

Anyone got the magic remedy?
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 12:52

Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 12:52
The circlips are square in profile, inside the yoke one each of the four bearing cups. From memory they are about 2mm square similar to a tiny piston ring if that helps. Find the opening in the clip then 'lightly tap' with a big hammer. Watch your eyes too they can spring off!!!

I think you might have been looking for the clips on the outside of the yoke.

You hit one bearing cap inward to knock the opposite one out.

Good luck. I was taught this skill forty years ago when I was a lad working pumping Caltex after school by the mechanic. He also taught me how to mend punctures. Any I fixed for customers was my 'cash' to keep.
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 13:11

Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 13:11
These circlips are known to fly into oblivion and also whistle as they go,,so if you get them out ,be careful with the new ones....
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 16:29

Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 16:29
Hence the name .... Jesus clips!
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Reply By: crewser - Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 20:32

Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 20:32
If you clean the uni you should be able to see the circlips, When you do get the circlips out use a socket on the uni cap and belt it out (in),
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Reply By: Bilbo - Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 23:51

Thursday, Nov 09, 2006 at 23:51
Onec you have removed the circlips. There is an easy way to get the cups out and thus get the joint apart.

You'll need a vice & a hammer.

Place the smaller, loose or "floppy end" onto the top of a partly opened vice so that it spans the vice jaws. Start hitting the solid tubular prop shaft part of the joint. This will slowly force one cup out of the central yoke. When that first cup is part way out, do not completely remove it from the yoke eye just yet.

Turn the prop shaft over and repeat the above on the other side. This will force out the oposite cup.

Remove the "Floppy bit" with the central "cross" still in it from the prop shaft tube bit.

Then simply place the floppy bit (with the central cross still in it) across the vice and similarly hammer out each roller bearing cup.

Remove the now partly removed roller bearing cups in the prop shaft tube bit by tightening each cup, that should by now be sticking out of each yoke eye, in a vice and tap the yoke upwards.

easy peasy - but bluddy difficult to put into words. Once you see it done it all makes sense.

Be very careful when replacing the cups back into the central yoke. Take great care that all the needle roller are lined up correctly and are not being caught on the central yoke. If you get a needle roller stuck sideways across the bottom of the cup it will crack the bottom of the bearing cup - a dead set, no going back, you've stuffed it, buy another new uni joint, more expense, type "crack".

And only put enough grease in the needle rollers sufficient to hold the rollers in place while you put the cups back in. There is no clearance inside an assembled uni joint and excess grease will cause you to creat a hydraulic lock up. Sometime this "lock up" can prevent you from getting the bearing cup right home and therefore you can't replace the circlip properly.

Tip? If it's a grease nipple type uni joint, remove the grease nipple until fully assembled. This will let out any excess grease. Replace grease nipple later.

One you've done about 286 of 'em, you can become quite good at doing 'em :)

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 09:27

Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 09:27
Did you ever do the 13 on an Austin Champ Bilbo??
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 11:36

Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 11:36
Muz,

No, never worked on Austin Champs. Were there 13 uni joints on 'em??

I had 2 mates back in the late 60s that drove an Austin Champ from Lancashire in the UK, down to South Africa, back up through Africa, across the Middle East and finished in Bombay - and back again. Took 'em 2 years! Couldn't get through Burma so they put it on a boat and ferried across to India.

They were a couple of headcase bikers, as we all were back then!! Me included. Triumph Bonnevilles, BSA Rocket Gold Stars, various combinations of engines in Norton Featherbed frames. Even did the Isle of Man TT races as a mechainic. Then I had 6 mates killed in 6 months and decided it was time I bought a car!

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:31

Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:31
Back in the old days of repairing things, my boss loved to give me uni joints to fill in the day,as an apprentice you had to do things in repetition , so that was my bit of the jobs,tail shafts.........I did work in Darwin on the road trains for a few years and did the Darwin to Tennant Creek run on a regular basis,,tail shafts on the 87 mile hill were common,take an old one and build a new one on the side if the road, hire a lathe where possible and finish the job,then follow the truck just to make sure that all was ok..When the truck arrived back in the workshop, all was again removed and done again just for good measure,,and on it goes

About the bikes ,,,i stopped for the same reasons ,,,I have a Ducati that was fast on the dirt and now is in a bucket in the shed...one day i'll have it back on the road,but may not ride,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 14:58

Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 14:58
Muz,

I love that line ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have a Ducati that was fast on the dirt and now is in a bucket in the shed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

I've "owned' heaps of bikes just like that. Only one on the road, but the rest were ",,,,,,,,,,in a bucket in the shed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,".

You must be a hoarder just like me!

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Reply By: Member - Red60 - Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 10:05

Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 10:05
Thanks for all the advice.
Did them last night - no dramas once I knew what I was supposed to be looking for.
Didn't see circlips pinging around the shed, though.

Happiness is a big hammer !!!

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:33

Friday, Nov 10, 2006 at 12:33
It will happen Red
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