Questions on Nissan Auto Hubs

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 00:21
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I'd be grateful if Nissan owners could answer or comment on these questions re front auto hubs that also have the full lock mode ?

Anyone know the hub axle spline count ?

Do these auto hubs ever unlock when reversing in 4wd ?

I gather they normally freewheel and "lock" when 4wd is engaged ?

Do you have to reverse to get them to unlock when going back to 2wd or do they unlock themselves as soon as you move forward in 2wd ?

Are there any known issues with them ?

I want some hubs that will lock into 4wd for basic 4wd, ie beach etc but can also be manually locked for extreme, which these seem to fit so comments would be very much appreciated.

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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 00:41

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 00:41
I have just replaced the OE auto hubs on my GU with manual hubs.

After three and a bit years of pucking around with them I had had enough.

When you engage 4WD but leave the hubs in "auto" they CLUNK in and out as you are on or off the power. They are great for very short bursts when you get stuck in sand and quickly lock in 4WD, drive a short distance and then get out of 4WD, like when you're dressed for a wedding and get stuck trying to take a short cut across a paddock. But I found that if I didn't stop and reverse a bit, they would engage when I'm a few K's down the road and the sound of grinding teeth at 80 klm is horrible.

I found them totally unsuitable to be left in "auto" for any more than a few minutes while 4WDriving. The loud CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK is a bit of a put off.

Also, some very ill informed ppl on this forum are of the opinion that you can pull the 4WD lever down while travelling up to 40 klm/h because you have "auto" hubs.

WRONG !!!

As with most [not all] 4WD's the hubs need to be engaged first, then, at anytime can you engage 4WD while driving, as long as you're driving in a straight line and your rear wheels aren't spinning.
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Follow Up By: Patrol_Driver - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:03

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:03
I have a 2003 Patrol 3.0Tdi and have had few problems with my autohubs engaging or dis-engaging. Have done 2 Simpson Desert trips, 2 Flinders Ranges trips, 2 high country trips and numerous other weekend aways. I have engaged them into 4H whilst travelling below 60km without problems.

There have been 2 occasions when I've had the grinding noise, both occured when I dis-engaged on the fly and did not travel in a straight line for long enough before turning a corner. I stopped, reversed a few car lengths and the hub that was grinding disengaged properly and all was well.

Fortunately for me, I didn't experience them clunking in and out like Muzzgit, that would be extremely annoying.
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Reply By: On Patrol - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:23

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:23
Ditto
whenever (1 or 2 times) i've had any problem i'ts been of my own doing, as Patrol.driver stated.
I dont otherwise have an issue with them at 150000km
Quite happy.
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Reply By: Dave from P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:39

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:39
I have no problem with mine. Remembering to back up a bit after returning to 2H is my only problem.

I do "lock" them if I'm likely to use the diff lock (unless I forget, even then I have had no problems), but for all other running i leave them on auto and have not experienced any problems.
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Follow Up By: Tim@Stratford - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 08:15

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 08:15
We were always trained to manually lock them and leave them in. A bit of extra wear on the front driveline and tyre wear but no problems with them 'dropping out' or staying in, when required.

Have them locked in all the time and just use the stubby lever when required.

Tim - Stratford.
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Follow Up By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 08:24

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 08:24
I have been led to believe that if you intend on doing a little hard/more serious 4wding then you should go to lock using your wheel brace. If it is simple stuff then Auto is fine.
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Reply By: pepper2 - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 09:58

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 09:58
Mine work perfectly 190000k on this patrol and 4wd can be engaged and disengaged on the move never had to lock hubs manually regardless of terrain,was same on previous patrol both gu
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:36

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:36
I have never had a problem.

When we did the Simpson crossing I got out at Birdsville and went to unnlock the hubs with the wheel brace only to find that I had not locked them in on the west side of the desert. I came across on auto and never had a problem.

With the having to back up a bit to get them out when going back to 2wd what I do is knock it into neutral while still coasting slowly on the dirt then flick the stubby lever into 2wd before engaging a forward gear and driving away. n If the green 4wd warning light does not go out I stop back up about a car length and try again.

I am also willing to engage them on the move provided I am going slow and they are not under load.

In short I like them.

Duncs

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Reply By: Tim (vic) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:47

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 10:47
Have done 60k and done some decent 4x4ing and never had a problem with the patrol auto hubs. Works like a charm. To disengage i stop push into 2wd reverse 2 meters here them drop out and away i go.

Tim
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:00

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:00
Im like others, have heard of nightmares, but mine worked fine for 3 days of pure sand drivin at Robe and then up the Warraweena station in flinders... but i manually locked mine day 1 at robe, but auto for the rest
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:56

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:56
Another bouquet for the Nissan auto hubs, had them for 73,000 kms and not a problem. I do always, well almost always, remember to reverse when going back to 2WD. And I have had no problem engaging 4WD on the fly, obvioulsy being sensible with speed and no load.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 12:26

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 12:26
Never had a problem with mine either although I have recently fitted AVM manual hubs.....not to overcome any problem with the hubs but rather to allow me to use low range (albeit 2WD) on hard surfaces. This is especially so as I don't wish to ride the clutch when reversing the boat or camper up our rather steep driveway...also gives me some low down grunt to assist my 2.8 engine.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 14:05

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 14:05
>>>This is especially so as I don't wish to ride the clutch when reversing

The reverse in my TD6 is rediculously high, think I could get 50kph out of it... Why I they have geared that so high, and first so low I cant understand....

Interestingly I've only heard of nightmares with AVM's over the years too :(

Nissan GQ Freewheeling hubs seem to be the go, but other things to do first.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 14:19

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 14:19
I've had a good run out of my AVMs to date (touch wood). Be aware there is a bloke selling AVMs on ebay. The picture shows the box and the 2 hubs that are normally found in such a box............BUT the auction is for 1 hub only (as I found out........make mental note to myself to always READ the whole friggin thing!!!!). When I won the auction I got an email from him asking me if I'd like the 2nd one for the same price!!! I was stunned that I'd been soooo bloody stupid (thought that $100- for a pair was a good price, as a pair is normally $160-) What a d!ckhead I am eh? Anyway, told the bloke to shove the 2nd one and I'll just have a spare one for if/when one of the originals packs it in!!!!!!
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Reply By: Ozrunner - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 12:40

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 12:40
Thanks guys.

Most questions answered and if I can adapt them up I might give them a try, mainly because they are not just the normal straight auto hub, as these have the benefit of being able to be fully locked for extreme situations.

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Reply By: demented - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 13:50

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 13:50
And now for the complete newbie question.

What's the difference between the Patrol auto/lock hubs and the Landcruiser hubs that don't have this option? (Remembering I'm a complete newb at this stuff)

Is it as simple as one is for full time 4wd and one is for part time, or is it more complicated than that?

Cheers,

Demented
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Follow Up By: Ken - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:27

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:27
D, full time 4WD's such as some Toyota, Range Rovers Discoveries etc don't have freewheel hubs, it would rather defeat the purpose of full time 4WD. Nissans and some Toyotas that have selectable 4WD can have manual or auto freewheel hubs as it is claimed to reduce tyre wear and increase fuel consumption. Pretty minimal in my experience but in theory they do due to less moving bits and less drag on the front tryres.
Don't hold back on questions, it is the way to learn.

Ken
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Reply By: Ozboc - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 18:19

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 18:19
Like many other users - i have had no probs with my auto hubs ( touch wood ) i found that it easy to get the 4x4 to di engage when comming out of 4x4 mode ( for manual car ) just a quick stab on the power then foot off accelerator then back on again will dis engage it - the idea is to remove pressure from the drive line.

i can get my 4x4 light to go out within a few meters. on any terrain, angle and so forth with this meathod

Boc
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Follow Up By: bob&loz - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 19:27

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 19:27
The green light only means your in or out of 4wd (IE the centre diff is locked or unlocked ) it has nothing to do with the front hubs
Bob
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Follow Up By: Ken - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:20

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:20
Bob, spot on withthe green light meaning you are in or out of 4WD but I wonder where the Nissan centre diff is located ??

Ken
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:06

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:06
I don't think it's a centre diff like a landcruiser, it's a good old fashioned transfer case for driving the front diff. The landcruiser transfer case drives front and rear wheels.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:24

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:24
Bob,

I can have the selector(stumpy gearstick) in the 2wd position and still have the green light on. The light only goes out when that little clunk indicates that the transfer case has released the fromt drive and I am assuming that the hubs come out at the same time.

This happens when I unload(?) the drive line, as Ozboc suggests.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: bob&loz - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:32

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:32
Ken
Sorry I meant transfer case not diff

Duncs, Oz

The transfer gear is only spring loaded in the release direction. when you move the lever to 2wd you have only stopped holding the gear in engaged position but have not disengaged the gear. The spring pushes the gear out but cannot do this if there is to much load on it. That's why you have to drive straight for a bit to unload it before it comes out. The light indicates when this gear has released. This does not mean that the hubs are unlocked. You have to drive in reverse for a bit to achieve this after the light goes out.
This is why you can change in and out of 4wd on the run because your front diff is still being driven. If the hubs released when the light went out you wouldn't be able to do this
Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:08

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:08
Bob,

I always figured it was something like that. I have not had the box or transfer case apart to check for myself.

I just assumed that the hubs were coming out too, that may not be the case. Most of the time for me it is not a big issue as I am only about 5kms on the hard from where I play to home. The hubs will disengage next time I back out of the driveway. One of the arguments against auto hubs years ago was that you could never be sure if they were in or out. May still be valid.

However, I can select 4wd on the walk rather than on the run even if it is the first time that I have tried in a while. The instruction on the sun visor suggests about 40km/h although I have not tried at that speed.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 18:20

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 18:20
Bob&loz- i know this - i didnt mention that you can hear a small ( very faint) clunk also when the green light goes out. this is the saound i look for rather than the light going out , but use the light as confirmation once i hear the sound.

Boc
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Follow Up By: bob&loz - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 18:27

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 18:27
Duncs
Although I have had an older model transfer apart (son filled it with mud) I have not looked at the current model but assume they have some sort of syncro to engage first time on the move. Like you I have not engaged first time at speed as I can feel to much pressure on the stick when I tried but have no worries about going in and out at over 100k/h after first stopping and selecting 4wd. I do this regularly and have never had a hub disengage.
Bob
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Reply By: mechpete - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:31

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:31
gooday all,
I bought a GQ new in 97 and it had auto front hubs on it , and it has been on the CSR Simpson and many other trips ,still have the vehicle love it and the auto hubs are great . I pull the lever into H4 any time and at any speed up to 100kph ,
the only time I had trouble is when I repacked the brgs and the hubs and assembled one side wrong , (clunk clunk ) my mistake !!!
cheers mechpete.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:45

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:45
>> I pull the lever into H4 any time and at any speed up to 100kph

Ummmmmmmm...........
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