HID Headlight - Which Colour Temp
Submitted: Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:40
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Topend
I have fitted 6000k HID lights to my Landcruiser. They take some getting used to as they seem to be a little blue in colour (they call it diamond white) and very
bright.
Has anyone else with HID lights noticed this or is it just me? Will I get used to it or should I concider changing the globes to 5000k?
I took a photo with my digital SLR set to daylight. The grass in my yard looked a dull
orange with Halogen but did look a very
bright green with HID.
Cheers,
Topend.
Reply By: SA_Patrol - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:21
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:21
I've got 6000k in my headlights and yes they are blue, 5000k are whiter. The cars from factory all come out with 4300k, and there's nothing wrong with them in all weather conditions.
I'm getting 5000k 50watts in my Hella 4000 spotties soon
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:28
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:28
G'dayTopend ,
I don't have the answer for you , but I would appreciate some info on what you have purchased .
I have the HID Hella Predator
driving lights and I find that when I dip the beams I cannot see a dam thing because they they have such a
bright white light and my eyes take a while to adjust to the dull yellow of the standard low beams .
So I am going to get HID inserts for the
driving lights and am collecting info on which ones to get .
I do not know if the Predators are 5000K or 6000K , so I cannot comment on the 5000K vs 6000K colour question . I can tell you that these spread beams turn light into day and are the greatest thing ever for spotting roos and livestock at night . Only problem with them is they leak like a sieve in any
water crossing and are entirely unsuitable for any 4WD that does off road trips .I carry plastic garbage bags around with me to cover
mine , after they filled up with muddy
water and had to be cleaned out .
So I would appreciate any info you can give me .
Thanks ,
Mike
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Follow Up By: SA_Patrol - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:43
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:43
Hi Willie, Your Predators are 4300k. and theres nothing wrong with that in my view.
5000k would be the highest I go.
SA_Patrol
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:52
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:52
Sounds like your predators have a stuffed seal. I've had
mine completely submerged any number of times and never got a drop of watter in them.
Steve
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Follow Up By: SA_Patrol - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:02
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:02
Possibly the best light in the world but some are subject to leaking :-( , same as the Hella 4000's
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:56
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:56
Steve ,
They do not have a proper seal on them and as the wires come in half way up the back of the body , they half fill with
water in a 30 second dunking .
They are a poor design - if the wires came in through the bottom the
water would not enter .
Brilliant light ( pardon the pun ) , but Hella should be stopped from conning 4WD owners into forking out $2500 for a set of lights which are totally unsuitable . It is false advertising .
SA_Patrol ,
Yes , I have seen 4000s half full of
water in pictures of river crossings in magazine articles .
Cheers ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 14:29
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 14:29
Willie - you've done it now! You've changed the laws of physics!!
You said ",,,,,,,,,,,I can tell you that these spread beams turn light into day and are the greatest thing ever,,,,,,""
Oh McCains you've done it again.
Onya mate :)
Take care,
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Topend - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:06
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:06
Mike,
I got them off Ebay at $259 for each kit. I got the HB3 for my high beam first to see if the quality was high. This turned out to be the case so I placed a further order for the HB4 low beams. The kits are made in Japan.
I did a lot of research into kit available on Ebay and other kits costing $1500. I believe some of the Ebay kits are of a very high quality. They are 3rd generation and feature
water proof ballast and precision globes to focus the light accurately.
If you are interested search "HID" on ebay and will get 3 pages of genuine HID kits and fake HID globes. I got
mine from 95soarer. He has all globe types and in colour temps such as 4300k, 5000k, 6000k, 8000k and higher. He also has a 7 day money back if not happy and covers a 18 month warranty from
Melbourne.
If I am not happy with the 6000k he will swap them for 5000k.
Hope this is helpful,
Topend.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:46
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:46
Bilbo ,
Yes , I see what you mean - another mynah spelling mistake . I'm a duffer . I will make every effort to lift my game .
Cheers ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:49
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:49
Topend ,
Thanks a lot for the info . If they have a ballast , where does it fit ?
Thanks ,
Willie ( Mike )
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Follow Up By: Topend - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 17:44
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 17:44
Fit the ballast where you can behind the headlights. Up against the inner guard is usually a clear area.
Topend.
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Follow Up By: taize - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 17:58
Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 17:58
Willie,
Give Frank at xenonoz a ring as he had been developing HID kits for Aus for a number of years.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 17:30
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 17:30
Taize ,
Thanks for your help , I will ring him .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 18:30
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 18:30
I can attest to Frank's service and product quality. No affiliation; just a satisfied customer................
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Follow Up By: taize - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 19:05
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 19:05
Willie,
have you had a chance to chat with Frank? If so, what did he recommend? I'm thinking of getting a kit but the price is scaring me off.
Kym
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 22:10
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 22:10
Kym ,
I changed my mind about the upgrade after GMD said that low beam HID were illegal . Also on the xenonoz website , it said the same thing .
I am a bit confused about this though , as I see them on a lot of imported cars as std equipment . Maybe only the upgrades are illegal because they create glare through a change in focus .
Cheers ,
Willie .
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Reply By: Tim@Stratford - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:57
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:57
Topend,
Can you give me a quick run down on what you have fitted? Are these similar to the ebay HID lights with balast etc or are they just new globes?
I was under the impression higher wattage globes aren't too flash for LC's (100s) due to the material the headlight lenses are constructed from.
If they are the 35-50w globes with balast then that seems to be the go.
Thanks in advance,
Tim - Stratford.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 14:54
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 14:54
Tim,
They are proper HID lights with ballast and draw 35w.
Topend
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 12:32
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 12:32
Did you change the reflectors ..
I hate when people mess up their lights and others suffer for their ignorance. A HID reflector is different from a Hallogen reflector.
The problem with the optics in a straight reflector system is the size of the source. All reflectors have a focus, a point in which the source should be placed for optimal performance. Typically a focus wants to be a point, but sources dont emit light from
the tip of a pin, they emit over an area. It takes a lot more design work to increase the usable size of a reflector focus from a point to an area (along the axis, which is from the front to back of the vehicle).
Your halogen filament runs across the diameter of the bulb, and has very little displacement along the axis of the bulb. This allows for easy placement of the source in relation to the focus of the reflector. By shifting the position of the source relative to the focus (think of the mag lite comparison used earlier) you change from spot to flood. Your HID bulb has a source emission size that is much greater along the axis, causing the light to enter the reflector not only at the focus, but above and below it as
well. This is the cause of the glare usually associated with HID conversions.
So I hope you got the proper reflectors. .. Same applies for the
Driving Lights. Standard
driving lights spread the light with the lens. HID lights have a segmented reflector to achieve this and have less loss.
I should be illegal to sell upgrade kits without the reflectors.
Have fun
gmd
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 14:21
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 14:21
GMD ,
Thanks for that info . I was about to get an upgrade , but will be careful now .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Topend - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:10
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 15:10
gmd,
The HB3 & HB4 globes have filaments that run the axis of the globe. The HID globes are made to replace these and I have adjusted my light correctly so I don't blind oncoming traffic. This includes when my boat is hitched.
Topend
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:10
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:10
a standard reflector cannot be adjusted ... it's not about the height
it's the glare and the H4 is different ..
HID in Low Beam is illegal in Australia .. does not comply to ADR ..
the kits do not the same as a true HID light .. and being made in Japan
and not China does not make them any better ...
have fun
gmd
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Follow Up By: junior - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:20
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 01:20
gmd, the Lightforce XGT and HID spotlights share the same reflector- why is focal point not an issue here?
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Follow Up By: Topend - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:41
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:41
I'm still waiting on the low beams to be delivered. When I fit them I will get my wife to drive toward me and give me some feedback. I will report the results. If there is any glare I will return them.
Low beam glare is a pet hate of
mine and I'm not about to start doing it myself. The cause is usually incorrect adjustment or a heavy load on the back.
Mine will be adjusted with the boat hitched to prevent this.
Topend.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 17:43
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 17:43
_gmd_pps ,
If HID is illegal on low beam in Australia , why are XENONOZ pushing the sale of HID low beam on their website ?
Are you sure of this fact ?
Willie
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 18:40
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 18:40
because they sell it into racing etc. read their website .. it's on there ..
have fun
gmd
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Reply By: AndrewX - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 23:24
Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 23:24
The normal H4 headlight globes are available in 5000 Kelvin rating and higher I think. They cost around $25. Did my eyes deceive me when I saw $1500 mentioned??
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:00
Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:00
The globes at $25.00 are just pretend HID and are not very good. Quite often they are worse than the standard globe already in the car.
Proper HID [Hi Intensity Discharge] lighting kits vary in price from $300 to $2000.
Hella "predator" HID spotlights are $1100 each.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:15
Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:15
Andrew,
The globes you mention are fakes and have less performance than the standard halogen. Your better off fitting plus 50 globes.
The genuine HID light are 2 - 3 times brighter than halagen. You can get HID H4 kits. When changing from low to high beam and visa versa the arc mechanically moves back & forward within the bulb to change the focal area.
Topend
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:03
Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:03
Willie, what you should try when you come across an oncoming car, obviously when there is a long distance involved, is turn off the spots but leave the hi beam on for a short while until the car gets a bit closer.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 17:35
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 17:35
Yes Muzzgit , I have tried this on occasions and it works . But that does not help me when a vehicle comes around a corner at shorter ranges .
Willie .
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 04:44
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 04:44
a good read about hid
www.intellexual.net/hid.html
have fun
gmd
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 19:53
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 19:53
Thanks for that link mate, a great read!!!
It helps to explain why I am getting good,
bright light, but because the reflectors are still stock Nissan items, the lights aren't quite as good as I would have imagined for $1500-. I'm still happy with them, but now know the limitations.
Cheers mate
Roachie
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Reply By: taize - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 19:25
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 19:25
Willie,
Any chance I can have a look at how good your predators are? I'm in Epping as
well. Drop me a line kym.schwarz (@) internode.on.net (remove the brackets)
Kym
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