It is rumoured

Submitted: Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 00:08
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Can anyone shed some light on the urban myth that the Perth hills has a series of bunkers left over from the ww2 period.
It has been said that the bunkers contain many vehicles from the period such as Waller Harley, jeeps and such.
Supposedly, the location of these bunkers are known to some people although the entries have been sealed.
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Reply By: joc45 - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 00:18

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 00:18
Hi Banshee
Sounds like a myth to me.
The hills are primarily granite with a laterite cap, so building them would have been quite difficult compared to the sand/limestone plains below, where bunkers were actually built.
Most of the storage of military army equipment was, I believe, at an enormous store at Gnangara, north of Perth, which mysteriously caught fire right at the end of the war, some say to hide the evidence of large quantities of missing equipment.
Gerry
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Reply By: ross - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 01:27

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 01:27
Dont you think they would have been exposed since most of the hills area is private land?
Someone told me a similar tale about hidden vehicles in bunkers inland from Woodman Point.
I told him I wanted a tour and he never got back to meLOL

There were some bunkers in Janadkot but they were only for commandos to set up a resistance HQ in case of invasion.
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 05:12

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 05:12
There are heaps of stories/rumors of hidden tunnels, bunkers, storage area throughout Australia particularly in QLD. Myths of brand new Harleys, Jeeps, Generators etc etc abound. Apparently research conducted by many enthusiastic 'treasure hunters' has not revealed the existence (so far) of these huge caches that some believe still existed.
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Reply By: hoyks - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:01

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:01
There was a bunch of guys chasing rumours that there was a large bunker built under Mt Louisa near the airport in Townsville during the war. Some said it was a command bunker, others claimed it was hangar sized.
They even brought in a ground penetrating radar and crawled all over the hill looking for anomalies, but found nothing.

There are 2 ways to protect things from bombing, one is to bury it in a big hole, camouflage it so it can't be seen and the other is to disperse the equipment (..was an option, but bombing has become a tad more accurate since then).
In Australia, the dispersal method was used most as we have a bit more space to play with as opposed to Europe. Tunnelling is also a major undertaking that uses a lot of resources, so digging them to build a storage shed is a bit of a waste.

Although it would be nice to think someone will find a bunker with a pile of Harley's, Jeeps and generators still in their packing grease, I don't think it will ever happen.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:39

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:39
Have no knowledge of any Perth Hills tunnels, but tunneling was used in Australia during WWII.

Two examples are:
The Darwin fuel storage tunnels, which was a massive undertaking that took a few years to complete.
The Underground Hospital in Mt Isa.

Both are open to the public and well worth a visit if you are in the area.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:55

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:55
Then there are the "secret tunnels" in Canberra that go everywhere from under Pariament house to all manner of diverse locations including the Mi Mi Club in Fyshwick. Plus of course the ASIO building has 11 floors underground where our top secret ASIO agents train in Anti Terrorist Warfare at the "secret underground firing range" Shame it's all tourist propaganda....
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 09:20

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 09:20
Then there is the tunnel under the Yarra that is open to all tourists and others as long as you pay..

I am in no way connected to City Link,,even though i have an E tag
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Reply By: Aandy(WA) - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:21

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:21
Yes banshee, I can certainly shed some light for you. The first light is that it is no urban myth. During WW2, Perth was regarded as a relatively secure part of Australia and the bunkers were used for storage of much more than vehicles - need I say more? An elderly uncle of my next door neighbour was a high ranking military official. As he aged he became increasingly willing to share his wartime secrets and the bunkers and their contents were a frequent topic of conversation. The entries are indeed sealed and they are difficult to find with the passing of time but their locations are known to quite a number of people.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:38

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:38
so where are they?
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:58

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:58
"storage of much more than vehicles - need I say more"

Yeah! Spill it!
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Follow Up By: Aandy(WA) - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 22:36

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 22:36
Sorry Truckster and Scubaroo - there's no way that I'm going to be the one to reveal the locations. Much too sensitive for my liking. Suffice to say that they exist and there are a number of people who can confirm that.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 13:34

Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 13:34
>> Much too sensitive for my liking

then whats the problem..
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 00:30

Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 00:30
I was more interested in what was in there beside vehicles, rather than where.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:28

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:28
I have no idea about the Perth question but it was only about 20 years ago that it came to common public knowledge that a large series of tunnels had been dug in the White Cliffs around Dover (UK) and used by the military for many years. So although the Perth things sounds a bit unlikely it would be a brave man who said it was impossible.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:57

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 10:57
This sounds dodgy... but "a father of one of my father's friends" who served in the RAAF *swore* that at the end of WWII he and a few other servicemen stashed three Spitfires in an abandoned mine in the NT with the wings removed, instead of scrapping them. As luck would have it he died years ago and presumably the planes are still where they left them.

Whether or not something like that was possible at the time, or even if there's "abandoned mines" anywhere in the top end that you could hide three aircraft in, who knows.
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Reply By: Howard T - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 14:09

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 14:09
Hi
I think there are rumours all over the place re buried WW2 stuff. As a kid growing up in Charters Towers there were always these stories of someone finding an army jeep or something. The yanks buried a lot of stuff in a place called the Annabranch. Good fishing and swimming but never hit me head on a jeep.
Howard T
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 15:06

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 15:06
Howard, my Great Uncle and other "enterprising" blokes went around for a few years after the war around The Towers collecting all the stuff and flogging it off. The Annabranch had a lot of stuff dumped in it due to it's proximity to the Bredden Airstrip. Mainly aircraft spares, engines and so forth. They went out there and went fishing with trucks and grappling hooks and got most of the stuff out. My Grandfather got a Bren Gun carrier out of one of these exercises and used it to pull the bore drain delver out around Julia Creek for many years. One of the jeeps they got was a paddock bomb until it died in the early 60's. Old plane wrecks were real prise apparently due to the scrap vaule of the alloy. There was definitely a lot of stuff left behind/dumped but I doubt there would be many secret stashes to be had, those blokes after the war were pretty keen to earn a quid and they all had very good local knowledge.

Apparently there was an arbitary dollar value. If it was worth more than the figure, it went home, if it was less, it got dumped. Apparently the valuations were a bit rubbery too depending on how keen the crew was to get home!

OT
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Reply By: Howard T - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 15:18

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 15:18
Hi OT

Thats interesting. As I said as a kid I was always hearing these stories but never really saw anything to substantiate what was said.
Thanks for that. As an old 56yo it has answered some questions that come up now and again about my old home town.
Howard
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 08:27

Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 08:27
Howard, you have got 10 years on me but I also grew up amongst the mullies and cyanide heaps, now long gone, like me.

OT
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Reply By: Steve_D40 - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 15:45

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 15:45
Not sure about the hills but I remember looking through a series of wartime tunnels on Rottnest as a young bloke. Not sure of their status at the moment.
cheers
Steve
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 20:08

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 20:08
Hi Steve,
The tunnels and gun at Oliver Hill on Rotto are now a tourist site, and they run public tours through them; the tunnels run for some quite considerable distance and include an underground power house. The old railway leading up to them has also been restored. Quite interesting, but like you, I enjoyed wandering thru them more when they were off-limits. The second big gun there is still closed, but that was also an interesting spot to crawl thru. There was also supposed to be an underground hospital somewhere on the island. Managed to get a look over the u/g bunker where they calculated the gun positioning from sightings. Massive underground room which housed the gunsight computers.
Now there were supposed to be a myriad of tunnels in the Buckland Hill gun site in North Freo. This has now been mostly developed for luxury housing, but the tunnels are supposed to be still there. Apparently the army had no records, so they remain a mystery.
The Belmont bunker is now used by the SES.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 20:12

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 20:12
Also interesting that the guns at Rotto (about 9", I recall), installed by the mid-30's, were old turn-of-century naval guns and were not even within cooee of a match for the Japanese naval guns.
Good thing they were never called on to defend Freo.
Gerry
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Reply By: harryopal - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 17:35

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 17:35
If like me, you blokes savour stories of lost treasure let me commend to you this book:
Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yama bleep a's Gold: Books: Sterling Seagrave,Peggy Seagrave by Sterling Seagrave,Peggy Seagrave.
Townsville library has it so there is a chance it may be in other libraries. A great read and evidently very well researched.
Harry
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Follow Up By: harryopal - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 17:37

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 17:37
Aren't computers like that. The bleep was inserted by the computer because it objected to part of the name of Y a m a s h i t a. (Wonder if I fooled the system by putting spaces?)
Harry
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 20:59

Friday, Nov 17, 2006 at 20:59
Oi! Banshee.

You are tinkering with 'secret war business' here and run the risk of infringing the official secrets act. Or some such 'chit' (LOL)

However, its not that well known, but I was born and raised in W.A. and my father was on active service in WWII for 5 years and my mother was an employee of a 'munitions factory'.

Now as a very young dude in the 1950's, we used to visit the Uncles & Aunties in Bunbury on a regular basis.

When passing through the Armidale/Byford area there used to be a military establishment on the right as you headed towards Bunbury, which from memory had a huge gun shell/projectile on each side of the entrance.

Anyway, both parents used to comment regularly on the fact that there were storage tunnels/bunkers in the hills at the back of this military establishment.

The best I ever got out of either of them was that such facilities existed and were full of 'stuff' in case the 'war started again'.

As you know, 'it' never started again and I think the military dump is long gone. most probably housing estates now.

Regards

Ken Robinson

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:27

Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 02:27
Sorry Ken.
but they pushed it all over and built houses on it.. :-)

But I do remember it
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:34

Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:34
Yeah!

Guessed it was most probably the case, however thats 'progress' for you.

Thanks for the reply.
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:37

Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:37
Just read my original post reply and noticed the 'years' have caught up with me.

It was on the left as you drove from Perth to Bunbury and stretched back up into the hills.
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Reply By: The Explorer - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 09:57

Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 09:57
Hello - I dont know either but point of logic - would it be an urban myth if it were true?
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