Cooling Fans In Off Road Camper Trailers
Submitted: Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 10:53
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Neetas
Hi Folks
Just seeking the latest opinions on 12v cooling fans for an off road camper trailer. We have a single battery and small solar panel, so looking at something efficient, that can be converted to 12v.
Apart from the standard oscillating varieties we have seen a number of Coleman items - the Zephyr and Free Standing unit (foam fan blades) and the Tent Fan. Can anyone recommend a make/model they've been happy with? Thanks
Mike
Reply By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 11:09
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 11:09
Mike,
Can't really help with the info you're after - Mind you I've been looking hard at the Coleman fan (held over flyscreen with magnets) for our camper. I think this will be the go as they obviously don't cool as such, but the breeze the create combined with the movement of hot are out should reduce the temp in the camper.
I'll be watching this post to see if anyone has good/bad points on the above!
Tim - Stratford.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (Kununurra) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 11:56
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 11:56
We too are looking at one of these.
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Reply By: kev.h - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 11:53
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 11:53
Have a look at 12v computer fans the ones they use to cool power supplies towers etc very low current draw quite and move an enormous amount of air for their size
can usually get them at computer repair shops for very little if not free they are designed for continuous use are caged so you cant get your fingers in the blades
i use two to circulate the air inside the camper
Regards Kev
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 13:51
Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 13:51
I think computer fans might be a little small for providing fresh air movement around a hot camper trailer. I have a pair fitted to my van fridge and you can hardly feel the air movement from a foot away.
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Reply By: Noldi - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 12:05
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 12:05
Does not seem to be much on the market (12v wise) I have only seen the tent fans in the shops.
We just went for a 12v fan like we used to put on the dash of the HR's years ago and mdified the bracket so we can attach it to one of the poles. In saying all that we tend to keep our summer wandering south and close to
the beach.
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Reply By: pelbo - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 13:00
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 13:00
A 12 volt fan will use far more power than a 240v /with inverter.
Buy a cheap fan (Type that is enclosed in a box type frame with revolving front guard) and use a 150 or 300 watt inverter. We also take the front revolving guard off (no kids) and this increases the air flow by 50%.
We stopped using our 12 volt fans as this 240v system moved 200% more air for less than half the power usage. Much quieter too! Our $19 fan only uses 40 watts!
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 14:45
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 14:45
Are you sure Pelbo.....my 12V fan from Springers (the expensive one) uses around 0.44A, though they don't have a huge flow rate of 240v ones(damn). This equates to around 5W, and the 240V ones are around 40-80W. Maybe with a modified wave inverter you may only use close to the 12V ones, otherwise they will use way more.....
I do agree though that the best way is a 240V one with invertor, if only to get the decent air flow required. The 12V ones just don't cut it with airflow.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 14:06
Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 14:06
Lets see 40 watts @ 240 Volts = 0.12 amps.
Seems pretty good but that is at 240 Volts not 12 Volts. I'm not sure of the amp drain through an invertor but I don't suppose it would be very good.
Using a layman's formula, 240V is 20 times more power than 12 V
Then a 0.12 amps @ 240V = 2.4 amps @ 12 volts, now that's not very economical is it.
We used to run 240 V fan from an invertor, didn't last too long on the battery.
We're about the fit 12 V oscillating fans to our van ($25) that use about 1.2 amps.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 12:42
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 12:42
Last time i looked 40 / 240= 0.1666667, not 0.12 Amps
On second thoughts, it probably would be better off not to compare 240V fans with 12V fans in relation to power especially without power factor corrections :-) A "layman's formula" should not be used in this case, and especially without conditions applied eg. using the same current etc.
Cheers
Andrew
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 14:54
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 14:54
Mike
Try visiting our cousins in the boating fraternity.
www.whitworths.com.au/main_home.asp
has a good range of stuff online, as other boating stores do.
12 Volt
Shop www.12volt.com.au/ would also be a good option.
Have a look at some of the inline fans, not just the oscillating ones. They seem a bit more robust that the oscillating which might shake to bits in a camper unless packed.
Tim
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Reply By: Ian-Rodeo - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 15:56
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 15:56
Mike
Get a 12 volt fan from Dick Smith..$10. A variable Regulator also from Dick Smith..Product No.M9889 for $29. You will have to cut the plugs off and rejoin the Variable Regulator to the Fan. You will then have a Fan that you can vary the speed from 1.5volts to 12 volts. On 3 volts it moves the air without making any noise. It's excellent when you experience a warm humid night.
It will work great in your Tvan Mike.
With regards.
Ian
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Reply By: pelbo - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 18:58
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 18:58
Andrew,
I have two 8" 12 volt fans over our double bed in our caravan. We are living full time in our van traveling around Oz.
I do not know the exact wattage or amps our fans use, but I do know how much our 200amp AGM battery is depleated only after a few hours usage with the 12 volt fans. I would guess they use at least 5-6 amps each per hour. Very noisy and don't shift much air. So we stopped using them and can run the 240V fan through the inverter all night with little loss of voltage from the battery. By morning, after watching TV, lights,
water pump and running fan all night, voltage is down to about 12.3 to 12.4v. We have 5 x 115watt solar panels for charging, but also run an Engel 40litre beer frideg and a Waeco 160 litre two door fridge freezer, so we have to watch our power usage.
I do know the cheap 240v fan we run only uses 40 watt max. We run on the low setting most of the time.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 20:41
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 20:41
Hi Pelbo,
Are you really sure with those figures. When i bought our fans earlier this year the highest current rating on all the 6" and 8" models seemed to be only around 1.5A or less???
I agree that you should chuck them if those figures are correct :-)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 20:42
Sunday, Nov 19, 2006 at 20:42
sorry for saying "are you sure" twice now ;-)
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Follow Up By: pelbo - Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 07:32
Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 07:32
NO! I am not sure! As I said, my figures are a guess for the power usage of the 12v fans! LOL!
What I do know is that they use far more power than my inverter/240v fan and move far less air and are VERY noisy. We are far better off using the larger 240v fan.
I changed over to the inverter/240v fan on the advice of my auto electrician, who set up my solar / charging system in my van.
Only reason we left the 12v fans in place was to cover the hole in the wall and they make good hat racks.
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Reply By: Member - Arkay (SA) - Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 08:28
Monday, Nov 20, 2006 at 08:28
After all the wisdom in the replies above I don't know if this is much help but I saw 12v automotive fans with base & clamp for $24/$25 in K-Mart last week. They have a cig lghter plug. Was thinking of buying one when there was 15% off of something, & replacing the 240v medium sized fan + inverter system we already have for the caravan, but am now re-considering. Like the idea of the Dick Smith fan + regulator. Hmmm, don't know. I guess its noise v air movement v power consumption.
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