DIESEL RA RODEO WITH SNORKEL
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:12
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Hairy Wombat
I have a big problem with losing power after driving through a
water crossing. The car is unable to accelerate at all and trying to take off from standing still is difficult and seems like it is about to stall. The 'power' seems to return after 'drying out'. Sometimes the power comes back in 45 mins but if the crossings is fairly deep it can take hours.
The problem first occured on my first real
water crossing - 0.6m for 50 metres in
Litchfield NP, NT. I did a crossing that was 40m long and 0.9m deep and the power did not return for 5 hours.
I have run out of ideas and although the car is still under warranty I have taken it to 4 holden dealers and they are clueless. They say that the "computer" doesn't say there is a problem but whatever happened to the "person" saying that there is a bloody problem.
I hope someone out there can shed some light on what it could be so when I take back to a dealer I can give them some direction.
Please help!
Reply By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:23
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:23
exhaust? What have you looked at? Does seem strange.
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Reply By: Notso - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:31
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:31
Is the Air Cleaner element getting wet?
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Follow Up By: Hairy Wombat - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:53
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:53
No, air filter does not get wet.
I had another problem at the same time (unable to disengage 4wd) which I fixed by putting silicone on every plug I could find.
I was thinking it could be a sensor that gets wet but the computer should put a code in reflecting that fact and the computer does not pick up any problem at all.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:58
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:58
Might be a sensor that the computer doesn't monitor. Some of em don't monitor every sensor but not sure about the Rodeo. Crank angle sensor comes to mind. It is used to time fuel injection etc. Don't know whether the rodeo has one or not but the Nissan one was down near the harmonic balancer in the front of the engine.
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Reply By: kev.h - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:56
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 17:56
Sounds like a sensor getting wet ,is it auto if so the gearbox will go into safe mode if the harness plug gets wet, the symptoms are same as you describe, it is designed to get you home if there is a problem in the gearbox without doing too much damage
Regards kev
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Follow Up By: Hairy Wombat - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:01
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:01
It's a manual and gear change is smooth...
Someone on the road mentioned it could be the EGR Valve - I have no idea what that is or what it's for!
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:28
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:28
egr stands for exhaust gas recirculation or something like that it puts exhaust gas back through the motor for whatever reason i think it has to do with emissions could be your problem as i guess too much exhaust gas could kill the power
Regards Kev
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Reply By: pauls - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:54
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:54
Hi
When I was in Lakefield I got talking to a bloke who was running convoy of 4WDs and he saw I was driving a RA Rodeo and said that if I ever lost power after a
water crossing there is a little switch / relay next to the radiator on the driver's side that causes loss of power when wet as you are experiencing. I am not that mechanically minded so I never followed it up to see what the switch does as I have never had any problem. Might be a clue.
Paul
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Reply By: MP - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 20:43
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 20:43
I had problems with my EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) valve. This valve opens when not under load to and puts exhaust gases back into combustion chamber to reduce emissions. The shaft in the valve was bent and the valve wouldn't
seat properly. Replaced valve problem solvered. This valve operated off a vacuum sensor located on the RHS near the air cleaner. I believe this is a known problem to Holden if it gets wet and I believe there is a "Techline" (Holden speak) on this part. Whether they have fixed it or not I don't know. When I had my problems the first county dealer I went to knew exactly where to look. Even the receptionist knew what the problem was. I figured there's a lot more diesel Rodeo in the country. Holden should sort it out under warranty.
Cheers
Mark
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Reply By: Huffy - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:59
Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:59
Check out the rodeo
forum at Site Link. This might be the cause of your problem
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Reply By: Dion - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:21
Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:21
Hi Hairy Wombat,
GMH are very aware of this problem with diesel RA Rodeo's. GMH have a change over kit for the EGR control valve. Original EGR control valves when they get wet, the
water clogs a small filter which prevents the EGR valve from operating and it is very hard to get the engine to rev. This really nesessitates using L4, although in H4/H2 if you lift the revs up to 1500 before riding the clutch out and keep the revs up there when changing gears (flat shifting) you can keep the engine going.
I had it happen with my red RA ('03) on two consecutive weekends doing
water crossings on the Mundaring Sawyers Valley powerline track. I have also experienced it after utilising drive through car washes. Since I have had the change over kit put in, it hasn't happened since, and I'm not expecting it too. My silver RA is an 05 model so it already had the fix from factory before being delivered.
You need to hound GMH, convince the service manager that you know GMH have a repair kit, and that it is to be replaced under new car warranty. But perhaps the service manager knows this and is trying to tease the situation out to beyond the new car warranty, which then of course there will be a replacement kit available that you can be charged for.
Good luck and let us know how you go. If no luck with your GMH service manager, take the issue as high as possible to get resolved.
Cheers,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: Hairy Wombat - Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 13:37
Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 13:37
Dion,
You are a legend. You have described the problem exactly in regards to having very low revs and needing to engage 4L on most occasions.
I am going to Holden this afternoon to get this sorted out. Will advise on how it goes, thanks for your imput.
Cheers!
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 20:15
Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 20:15
As mentioned, it will be the EGR valve. I had a client's rodeo do this when we crossed some
water near Alice in July.
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Reply By: djm67 - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 22:16
Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 22:16
My 04 work Rodeo does the same....
Even does it sometimes when I wash the car (
mine site wash pad)
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Follow Up By: Hairy Wombat - Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 13:39
Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 13:39
Yes, my car has done it aswell when washing with a high pressure hose.
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