Landcruiser Gearbox

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:25
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Many forum members will know the old problem of the oil in the gearbox ending up in the transfer case after flowing through a faulty sealing system. My question is would this wreck the gearbox pretty quickly? Thanks Ian
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:44

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:44
Dunno mate. Don't think so, as there will always be some oil in the gearbox or transfer box.

I fitted a bypass hose from the transferbox to the gearbox on my old FJ55. This was just after I had bought it with 295,000 on the clock. This system worked very well for the next 255,000km. Mine used to pump the oil from the transfer box into the gearbox. The bypass hose let the excess oil run back into the tranferbox. I had no mechanical problems with either gearboxes in the 7 years I had the old rust bucket.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:54

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:54
Yep me to Willem, I have a bypass hose on both of mine, never been a problem.
Oil goes to gearbox as Willem said, so as the transfer holds less oil, it may run a little low at times.

Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: Imstat - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 22:01

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 22:01
My Transfer was absolutely chockers and very little in the gearbox. Is it usually the other way around?? Thanks Ian
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:55

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:55
Yep common problem even with the old hilux's like myn,can buy a bypass hose with proper fittings on either end off ebay for $35. They are always on there. Not worth pulling apart and replacing the gasket/seal as it will do it again. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Imstat - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 22:05

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 22:05
Thanks fellas. I will go ahead and fit a bypass hose. Cheers Ian
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Reply By: ross - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 23:52

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 23:52
Lets back up a bit.
If the oil is flowing downhill to the t/case ,it will not run back uphill to the gearbox through the bypass hose
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The bypass hose only works when higher pressure in the t/case makes the oil run up hill to the gearbox and then it can run back downhill by gravity when you stop.

The pressure in the oil chamber is only my theory ,I have never tested it however fluid does not run uphill without something pushing it.

If its not pressure build up it must be the spinning of the out put shaft pumping it up hill
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:00

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:00
Ross,
I wondered the same. But the fact is that without the hose, the oil transfers from the transfer case, uphill to the gearbox. My theory is that there is no breather in the transfer, so when it warms up, oil moves thru the seal into the gearbox. Second part of my theory is that when you fit the hose, you are providing a breather for the transfer, so oil stops heading north to the gearbox. In any case, the hose allows extra gearbox oil to head south into the transfer.

None of this is substantiated - just what I thought up, when lying under many old LandCruisers I've had in the past.
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Follow Up By: ross - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 15:20

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 15:20
But this is different. They are talking about the gearbox leaking into the t/case.

I cant see how a bypass hose will help get the oil back into the gearbox which is higher.

In this case I dont thing pressure has anything to do with it.
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Reply By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 00:47

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 00:47
A timely post for me ...........................

I have just yesterday ordered said transfer/gearbox hose from eBay [at $35 free delivery!] to protect my '92 !HZJ75 Troopy .

Young brother in Adelaide recently drove from ADL to SYD, hearing a "clicking sound" whilst under way, which disappeared when at speed. [Vehicle is a 1996 Landcruiser Series 80.] Decided to get it checked out and called into a Toyota dealer on Parramatta Road.

Shock and horror ............. no oil in the transfer case, thus everything was nigh on bleep tered to bit, neccessitating a complete gearbox replacement .... this was only discovered AFTER it was pulled apart and laid out on the workbench.
Because the repairer was an official Toyota dealership, policy dictated that they cannot fit second-hand ... must be new and Toyota sourced. Naturally none in Australia ................... had to be ordered from Japan, with an attedant three to four weeks delivery time ....... airfreighting was not an option !!!
At this stage, esimated cost ......... around $5000.oo !!!
Further cost has been two airfares SYD to ADL, four weeks without a vehicle in ADL [has lots of family committments !!] and now two more airfares back to Sydleney to collect the vehicle. Plus accomodation, etc. etc . ???

So I just got scared of what could happen in my situation .....doddering old pensioner almost ......... out in the wilderness looking for gold ..... by myself perhaps .... but reasonably competent in most situations, except mechanical engineering !!

My Troopy only has about 140,000 kms on the clock ........ but for me a $35 hose gives a bit of peace of mind ??

QUESTION 1 ..... are there any pitfalls in installing said hose, when the gearbox seal is still intact ??? Or does one wait ??

QUESTION 2 .... do these seals just go 'phyttt' and let go or is it a gradual thing ?

QUESTION 3 ... will I find enough gold to get a NEW Troopy and stop worrying?

AS usual, this forum has been of immense help to me ......... yes, I have in fact worn out the SEARCH button, there is such a mine of good advice avail. here ......

Having invested much of my life as 'a lover and a bighter' ...... I neglected to enhance my mechanical knowledge, now I'm paying for it .......
BUT Ahhhhhhh , such memories, such memories !!!!!!!!!

Please advise ................ thanx in advance.

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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:05

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:05
The younger your truck the less of a problem the later style (post 1990) transfer case tend not to have a problem except for chopping out the inpiut gear and shaft splines due to a lack of lubrication.
If the transfer oil is being pumped into the gearbox (which is higher) then the transfer hose will work.
If the oil is coming out of the gearbox into the transfer then you will have to replace the seals as you will trash the gearbox if the oil is too low.
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Follow Up By: Topcat (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 11:34

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 11:34
I have a later model gearbox/transferbox fitted in my 1990 troopie after the original failed due to a problem with the transferbox idler shaft failing. I had a bi-pass hose fitted. I have this hose now fitted to this gearbox but it is blocked off at one end as a matter of convenience should the oil transfer problem re-occurr. I check the gearbox/transfer box levels every 10,000km to see if any oil is being transfered up to the gearbox. So far so good. No oil increase/decrease in oil levels(50,000Km). One thing I did do prior to fitting the new gearbox/transferbox, was to remove the breather attachment on the transferbox & fit an extension hose up onto the firewall in the enginebay with a filter on the end. This allows the transferbox to breath easier as the existing fitting can become restricted due to grease/dirt/mud ect over a period of time (& help prevent water ingress) which will cause a subsequent pressure build up forcing oil out of the transferbox into the gearbox if the 5th.gear output shaft seal fails. It is difficult to remove the breather fitting while the transmission is in situe as it is pressed into the casing should you wish to fitted an extension hose. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:06

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:06
Pedro,
No oil in the transfer case: usually means that someone has drained it, and forgot to refill it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 02:53

Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 02:53
Bingo, Phil G ............

Said brother confirms he did his own servicing and was generally aware that levels needed to to be regularly checked ............

dipping the finger [if you'll pardon the expression?] appeared to be adequate but he never topped the levels up over the period of around three years ?????

In hindsight, of course, he now agrees to a degree of ignorance/complacency !! A hard lesson, but like most hard lessons .... never to be forgotten.

Thanks to Traveller and TopCat for their comments also.
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 11:09

Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 11:09
This was a common problem and the oil would, pump? from the t/fer case to the gbox, fitting the hose will prevent the t/fer case running out of oil by equalising the oil level between the gearbox and t/fer case, the t/fer case will end up over full but this does not cause a problem.
Don't know if anyone else has ever seen an emergency fix on the older box's with power take off, PTO, I have rebuilt a couple where a gear has striped the spline on the idler shaft and as a fix to keep going the PTO cover was removed and the stripped gear is welded to the unused PTO drive gear.
Chris
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