Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 00:47
A timely post for me ...........................
I have just yesterday ordered said transfer/gearbox hose from eBay [at $35 free delivery!] to protect my '92 !HZJ75 Troopy .
Young brother in
Adelaide recently drove from ADL to SYD, hearing a "clicking sound" whilst under way, which disappeared when at speed. [Vehicle is a 1996 Landcruiser Series 80.] Decided to get it checked out and called into a Toyota dealer on Parramatta Road.
Shock and horror ............. no oil in the transfer case, thus everything was nigh on bleep tered to bit, neccessitating a complete gearbox replacement .... this was only discovered AFTER it was pulled apart and laid out on the workbench.
Because the repairer was an official Toyota dealership, policy dictated that they cannot fit second-hand ... must be new and Toyota sourced. Naturally none in Australia ................... had to be ordered from Japan, with an attedant three to four weeks delivery time ....... airfreighting was not an option !!!
At this stage, esimated cost ......... around $5000.oo !!!
Further cost has been two airfares SYD to ADL, four weeks without a vehicle in ADL [has lots of family committments !!] and now two more airfares back to Sydleney to collect the vehicle. Plus accomodation, etc. etc . ???
So I just got scared of what could happen in my situation .....doddering old pensioner almost ......... out in the wilderness looking for gold ..... by myself perhaps .... but reasonably competent in most situations, except mechanical engineering !!
My Troopy only has about 140,000 kms on the clock ........ but for me a $35 hose gives a bit of peace of mind ??
QUESTION 1 ..... are there any pitfalls in installing said hose, when the gearbox seal is still intact ??? Or does one wait ??
QUESTION 2 .... do these seals just go 'phyttt' and let go or is it a gradual thing ?
QUESTION 3 ... will I find enough gold to get a NEW Troopy and stop worrying?
AS usual, this
forum has been of immense help to me ......... yes, I have in fact worn out the SEARCH button, there is such a
mine of good advice avail. here ......
Having invested much of my life as 'a lover and a bighter' ...... I neglected to enhance my mechanical knowledge, now I'm paying for it .......
BUT Ahhhhhhh , such memories, such memories !!!!!!!!!
Please advise ................ thanx in advance.
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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:05
Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:05
The younger your truck the less of a problem the later style (post 1990) transfer case tend not to have a problem except for chopping out the inpiut gear and shaft splines due to a lack of lubrication.
If the transfer oil is being pumped into the gearbox (which is higher) then the transfer hose will work.
If the oil is coming out of the gearbox into the transfer then you will have to replace the seals as you will trash the gearbox if the oil is too low.
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Follow Up By: Topcat (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 11:34
Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 11:34
I have a later model gearbox/transferbox fitted in my 1990 troopie after the original failed due to a problem with the transferbox idler shaft failing. I had a bi-pass hose fitted. I have this hose now fitted to this gearbox but it is blocked off at one end as a matter of convenience should the oil transfer problem re-occurr. I check the gearbox/transfer box levels every 10,000km to see if any oil is being transfered up to the gearbox. So far so good. No oil increase/decrease in oil levels(50,000Km). One thing I did do prior to fitting the new gearbox/transferbox, was to remove the breather attachment on the transferbox & fit an extension hose up onto the firewall in the enginebay with a filter on the end. This allows the transferbox to breath easier as the existing fitting can become restricted due to grease/dirt/mud ect over a period of time (& help prevent
water ingress) which will cause a subsequent pressure build up forcing oil out of the transferbox into the gearbox if the 5th.gear output shaft seal fails. It is difficult to remove the breather fitting while the transmission is in situe as it is pressed into the casing should you wish to fitted an extension hose. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:06
Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:06
Pedro,
No oil in the transfer case: usually means that someone has drained it, and forgot to refill it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pedro the One (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 02:53
Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 02:53
Bingo, Phil G ............
Said brother confirms he did his own servicing and was generally aware that levels needed to to be regularly checked ............
dipping the finger [if you'll pardon the expression?] appeared to be adequate but he never topped the levels up over the period of around three years ?????
In hindsight, of course, he now agrees to a degree of ignorance/complacency !! A hard lesson, but like most hard lessons .... never to be forgotten.
Thanks to Traveller and TopCat for their comments also.
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Follow Up By: Chris & Debbie - Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 11:09
Thursday, Nov 23, 2006 at 11:09
This was a common problem and the oil would, pump? from the t/fer case to the gbox, fitting the hose will prevent the t/fer case running out of oil by equalising the oil level between the gearbox and t/fer case, the t/fer case will end up over full but this does not cause a problem.
Don't know if anyone else has ever seen an emergency fix on the older box's with power take off, PTO, I have rebuilt a couple where a gear has striped the spline on the idler shaft and as a fix to keep going the PTO cover was removed and the stripped gear is welded to the unused PTO drive gear.
Chris
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