Limited Slip Diff

Submitted: Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 20:26
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Don't know if I have one or not! How can I tell? Mate says put a jack under one wheel and lift it off the ground. If it turns it's not an LSD. Is it as simple as this??
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 20:35

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 20:35
yes it is as simple as that. lift one wheel of the ground really well supported and only an inch or so. Put the car in 1st, drive, if the wheel spins in the air its open, if the car jumps off the stand or even tries too, its LSD. Also worn out LSD's act like open diffs.
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Follow Up By: Imstat - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:06

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:06
THanks F4 and Bonz,

Just to complicate it! Is there any way I can tell if I have an LSD that is worn out?

Reason for asking is I just bought this buggy and it was advertised with LSD but one wheel turns (gearbox in neutral) when the other one is on the ground ?? Thanks Ian
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:10

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:10
yes, dead easy, 1 look on the diff for markings. 2 take the diff apart and if 1001 pieces fall out, its LSD, if its quite basic looking with spur gears and thats it, its open. The first time I found out my nissan had an LSD was when those 1001 disks fell out onto my gararge floor.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 06:08

Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 06:08
Imstat, if you find that both wheels turn the same way when both off the ground, then you have a LSD, If you jack only one wheel up and you can turn that wheel while the others on the ground, your LSD is knackered. QED
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 20:43

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 20:43
Just jack the back wheels off the ground and turn one wheel, if the other wheel turns on the same direction you have a LSD if it turns in the other direction you havent
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Follow Up By: fredd - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:28

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:28
hi bonz, or anyone

does this work with a 100 series with constant 4wd, or do al 4 wheels have to be off the ground
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 23:18

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 23:18
All I can say to that is - Profound, very damn profound.

You really missed your calling in life.

Ms Lucy

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The gene pool could use a little chlorine.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:35

Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:35
I dunno fredd not aware of the workings of the Hunjy centre diff
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 23:25

Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 23:25
Thats a wives tale guys...
Jack up any Patrol or whatever and you will find that with one wheel on the ground the other one can be hand turned and if you jack both up you will find the other one going the other way....
The only way an LSD can be generally checked is by loading it up through the tailshaft...
Try it..........
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 03:12

Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 03:12
As i know it.

A LSD has a Preload spring that fits between the 2 Side gears and Culch packs set against the back off the side gears depending on how tight or the order in which they are packed will determine at what Force they will allow slip to occur.

An LSD is always active and slips when it’s clutches frictional forces are overcome

A mechanical locker is disengaged till a force is applied to make it Lock together I.E power throe the transmission to the Diff

The Nissan design is slightly different from most other LSD’s and when a driving force is going throe the diff it actually forces the culches tighter (From memory), thus why Nissan LSD’s outlasts most others.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 06:06

Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 06:06
I tried it Vox, on my prev Patrol, and both wheels turned the same way. I was told to check it by the local mechanic who knows more about cars than I know about breasts, and thats a lot.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:03

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:03
You could help us by telling what you drive too, as some are more likely than others to have a working LSD. Patrol a lot more likely than LC with +20k kms on the clock for one. Patrol will scuff rear tyres turning on gravel for instance too with the working LSD.
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Follow Up By: Imstat - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:08

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:08
Thanks John, 1990 BJ73 L'Cruiser. Was advertised with LSD but one wheel turns while the other is on the ground. Thanks Ian
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:31

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 21:31
The LSD is well F**ked mate, unless she has been re-packed in the last 100,000K and even then it will be average an-road and next to useless off-road.

Typically a Standard set Clutch type LSD will be coming to the end of it useful life buy 100,000k A Toyota one a lot less than that.

Mine has 155,000 on it and it still works when both tyres are evenly planted on the ground but get a bit of articulation happening and it slips.

The Nissan LSD is the exseption hear.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 23:43

Friday, Nov 24, 2006 at 23:43
Ian, I often wonder how many mechanics actually use the wrong oil in LSDs. There is quite a difference if you want it to work.
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Reply By: madCrow - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 01:07

Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 01:07
Hi Imstat,
another very simple way to test if you've got a LSD & how well it's working is to find a nice piece of smooth dirt road & in H 1st gear drop a wheely for a couple of metres more or less. Then stop your truck & examine the the short trail you've left behind. If diff slippage is occurring you'll find more traction on one side than the other.
If your driving a LC don't worry about locking the centre lock diff your not testing that.
Also the age of you LSD is relevant, under 5 yrs & not driven like a maniac, you should fine, over 5 yrs with hard driving & it's time for a serious look see & an over haul.
It's also a good idea to give the diff a fresh new diff oil dose every 70,000k's.

The added advantage of this testing procedure is that you can explain to the SWMBO that doing wheelies (that is as you explain to her ladyship the spinning of both rear tyres) is a necessity so as to give you productive information as to the condition of the capabilities of the vehicles limited slip differential (be as long winded as necessary with the description).
Or if you wish to 'keep it simple' say that wheelies are preventative medicine for the vehicle!

Anyway good luck with the examination.

madCrow
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Reply By: ross - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 02:34

Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 02:34
To work it out the official way ,look at the aluminum tag on the firewall in front of the driver.
It will have the engine ,3B gearbox H55f and if its says KO85 where the diff/axle is written then it was delivered with LSD.
Most australian landcruisers are LSD unless they have the factory lockers.

Japanese and north amercian landcruisers are nearly all open diffed (KO82) unless they have lockers.

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Follow Up By: Imstat - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:02

Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:02
Thanks madCow , John and Ross and other helpers for really informative info. Cheers Ian
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Follow Up By: Imstat - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 20:16

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 20:16
Ross thanks mine is KO85. I think I'll give it some fresh LSD oil and see how it goes in the paddock. Cheers Ian
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 15:38

Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 15:38
Not as simple as that!
Depends on the vehicle.

Drive a brand new Prado out of the showroom, jack up a rear wheel, and it will almost always turn freely despite the LSD. The diff actually has to be "loaded" before it kicks in. Correct procedure is complicated - involves an axle stand under one side of the rear axle, applying some brake, and seeing if it will attempt to drive off the axle stand.

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