Patrol GU IV rear lights
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 00:21
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DFVZ
Hi, new here and have had a read of many posts but have not found anything relating to this. I wish to make use of those huge rear lights that don't do anything on the rear end of the patrol we just bought. Is there a kit that gives you a wiring loom and bulb sockets? Are there wiring connections inside the car to enable the use of these lights? Is it best just to go to a wreckers, buy sockets and tap into the wiring for the lights mounted in the rear bumper? Any assistance gratefully appreciated.
Reply By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 07:49
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 07:49
DFVZ,
Mate, This has been discussed heaps on the below Nissan Patrol
Forum with a few guy's just buying the light sockets etc and fitting them. It seems pretty easy to do from all reports. Some have also gone to and Auto Electrician and had it done for between $150 to $200 depending on the Auto Electrician. I will be doing it myself in the near future.....Good luck...
www.patrol4x4.com/
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Follow Up By: DFVZ - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 12:11
Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 12:11
Thanks for the info and the link to the Nissan
forum, had not found it before. There is lots of interesting stuff in there for us.
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Reply By: imBill2 - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:27
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:27
Hi
I own a GU IV and discussed converting the taillights to working times with the Nissan dealer. They advised that the vehicle would not pass a unroadworthy with the working lights. Talk to your Nissan dealer.
Cheers
Bill
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Follow Up By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 09:55
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 09:55
That's interesting. Reason a say is, a mate in QLD had the Nissan Dealer install them without a problem. My Nissan dealer here in
Canberra was going to do it though they where charging too much. I don't believe there is any legal implications involved with extra brake lights. I believe the reason for the Australian version to not have the lights is our silly ADR's though you see other vehicles have them, go figure.......
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Follow Up By: imBill2 - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 11:56
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 11:56
Aparently the spare tyre carrier causes obstruction problems. I don't know why it should matter if the original lights are still working.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:34
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:34
any light you cant see from 45 degrees is illegal.. and yes, they do make your car unroadworthy.
why you would waste the money is beyond me.
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Follow Up By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 16:59
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 16:59
Truckster,
Not going to get into an argument over something so trivial though, if you stop and think for a minute. Pause.........These are extra lights to what is already fitted so it is being over safe thus not making it illegal.....People can chose to spend there money anyway they chose, has nothing to do with you or I........Pretty simple....
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 12:19
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 12:19
of course they can spend it anyway they like.
Some people buy Kia's to attempt serious 4wding.. Hows it going Gaz? Got the V6 comm donk in yet?
some people buy Huyandi Excels as a car that will "last"..
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Reply By: Chaz - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 09:57
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 09:57
DFVZ, see post No. 26052.
This was done by a mate of
mine (4X4 Treker) and he managed to remove the top red inner lenses to use them as indicators. They have all been working
well with LED bulbs to reduce power consumption.
So far I haven't seen another GUIV on the road with all tail lights working correctly.
Chaz
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Reply By: spinifex - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 13:41
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 13:41
Hi all
Beware with the GUIV;
mine does not have the wiring loom installed for the upper tail lights as was the case with the previous models.
This means you have to slice into the lower light which gets quite messy especially if you already have trailer plug wiring in place.
The legalities are another issue, I to have been advised that the upper light should not be connected but as IMBILL said I cant understand why this would be an issue as long as the original lights are in place and operational.
Regards
Spinifex
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Reply By: blown4by - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 14:31
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 14:31
I have converted my GU4 rear lights and bought the genuine Nissan L&R lamp assy's Part No's NI-26550-VD325 & NI-26555-VD325. Trade cost $414 inc gst the pair. The reason they are not connected in Aus is because ADR 13 under the section "geometric visibility" requires the rear lamps to be seen from an 80 degree side angle and a 45 degree inwards angle and the installation of the spare wheel at the rear on Patrols made for the Aus market would prevent compliance with this ADR. The rules are not "silly", they are there for everyones safety and are in some cases, e.g.
seat belts, higher than the standards required in Japan. You would not be breaking any laws having ADDITIONAL lamps as long as the originals in the bumper comply, which obviously they do. No authority is going to penalise anyone for trying to make a vehicle safer. Those lamps in the bumper are pretty small and being down near the mud and dust get pretty dirty so with the larger lamps being mounted higher the rear is lit up like a christmas tree when braking, indicating or just tail lamps on. The wiring IS there on the left side at the rear on the GU4 and after you remove the dummy lamp run your hand up the wiring harness that goes forward above the rear wheel and you will feel an unused socket taped back against the harness. The lamps come with globe holders, globes and wiring that terminates in a plug. Not all the wiring is on the right side so you have to run three wires from the left across to the right side. I ran
mine up the left rear pillar across the roof under the liner and down the right rear pillar. That way you have no "bump" in the floor from the wiring, there is very little space under the rear trim strip, and saves having to go outside the vehicle and in again causing potential water/dust leaks. I connected both reverse lamps as
well. Some posts here have been about converting the dummies to operate but I am not sure they are actually designed to be operational and as such how they handle the heat and how you get the top red section to give an amber indicator signal I am not sure. I have been told also some after market lamps have actually caught fire due to the plastic melting from the heat when the lamps are on. I decided to go genuine for time/installation simplicity and warranty considerations. Hope that helps.
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Follow Up By: spinifex - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 00:45
Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 00:45
Hi Blown4by
Apparently they stopped installing the wiring looms part way through the GU4 build,
mine is April 2006 build and doesn’t have the wiring in place.
Regards
Spinifex
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Follow Up By: blown4by - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:18
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:18
In that case you would have to use a test lamp to identify which wires do what and then carefully trim some insulation off each one, twist your wires to your additional lamps around each bare section, solder and re-insulate.
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Reply By: ads_gu - Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 17:15
Saturday, Nov 25, 2006 at 17:15
Hi there,
I recently had a conversation with a panel beater that was going to repair some damage to my right rear bumper and lights, and I mentioned the fact that the lights were not hooked up.
He advised me that it is also an ADR requirement that there be no more than 3 working brake light on the rear of a vehicle. He reckons that when they install those wings etc to cars as an aftermarket option they dont hook up the brake light.
Dont really know why you would be penalised for having more, you would think the more the better for some people, but thems the rules apparently.
Cheers
Adam
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Follow Up By: blown4by - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:10
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:10
How do all the interstate trucks with van bodies, large coaches and mining vehicles get on with anything up to eight stop lamps get on? The reason they disconnect the eye level stop lamp on cars when they install a rear spoiler is firstly the spoiler usually has its own stop lamp and secondly the spoiler usually obscures the view from the rear of the original one and the reflection at night back through the rear view mirror off the spoiler is distracting.
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Reply By: Chaz - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:29
Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:29
Guy’s,
Fitting additional lights to the rear of your vehicle is not illegal according to ADR requirements. Some vehicles introduced earlier including Jackeroo’s, Prado’s etc are factory fitted with bumper lights as
well as higher body fittings.
There have been many patrols fitted with lamps by dealers also, so I think any negative response to this could be due to an ill informed officer or state authority’s that aren’t familiar with ADR’s that are national regulations.
All patrol tail lamp fittings are design to accept globe holders and as far as light assemblies melting and catching fire,
well I’ll believe that when I see it first hand. This could be due to some people wiring the lights up incorrectly. The brake lamps are 18 or 21 watt lamps and could produce some heat. Normally your tail lamps are only 5watt and they should never get hot enough to melt the light assembly.
The main issue with activating all your tail lamps is the current draw on the light circuits.
If you do it, you will blow your
hazard light and brake light fuses. You could also blow the tail light fuses when you hook up your trailer or caravan. Replacing the fuses with anything larger than 10amps is dangerous because of the wire size, so the only real solution is to replace the bulbs with LED bulbs of the correct type.
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Follow Up By: blown4by - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:15
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 12:15
The dummy lamps in the GU4 aren't designed to accept globe holders, in fact there isn't even an aperture there to fit a globe holder in to nor is there a "knock-out" section. I have seen plenty of after market non ADR compliant lamp lenses melted either because the plastic is not up to the job or too high wattage globes have been installed
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 21:08
Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 21:08
blown4by,
I’m sure it would be possible to overheat and even melt some inferior fittings, especially if the incorrect wattages are used, but the Patrol ones are good quality fittings and the reverse light that is factory fitted is 21 watts. This wouldn’t want to be left on for too long because it would soon get hot.
Normal tail lights that are on for long periods should only be 5 watt and these should never get hot enough to cause problems because of the large airspace in the fittings.
I haven’t seen the latest ones, but the earlier ones that I have seen (2005) all had the place to drill the holes molded in to the back of the fitting.
As I suggested, I would only do it with LED bulbs because they don’t get hot and draw very little current. The ones we use have 48 leds in each bulb and are very
bright considering they draw only 200mA each.
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Reply By: DFVZ - Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 12:22
Sunday, Nov 26, 2006 at 12:22
Thanks everyone for all the advice, I will talk to local Nissan dealer and auto elec before I decide which way we will go but definitely want more visability from the rear than we currently have. I checked inside the little panel in the rear and we do have extra unused electrical connector in there so hopefully this won't be too difficult.
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