Arrid Battery Chargers

Submitted: Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 17:26
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Hi all

I have a 115AH Trojan Deep Cycle Battery as my auxilary battery in GU Patrol.

I am looking for a charger to use when I have access to 240v (either mains or via EU10 Honday Generator) - so that I can charge when needed on travels/stops (6 months on road). Also want one that can be left on and not damage the battery.

I rang 12 Volt Shop - they suggested Arrid 10A ($225) or 20A ($275) chargers - both physically same size apparently. As I understand it, Arrid are the 12 Volt Shop's own brand - but have received reasonable feedback.

Another shop I rang, suggested Dolphin brand - at 10A - bit more cost wise.

My thoughts are that if the Arrid will do the right thing on the battery, then I will get the 20A Arrid - as it will mean less requirement to have generator running if relying on this for top up.

Am I on the right track?

Any feeedback or suggestions on these thoughts would be much appreciated.

Regards
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 17:43

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 17:43
Sorry to disalution you but I believe that a Trojan DSB can only accept 5amp charge and therefore you could be wasting your money if you got a bigger charger.
The way to go is with a AGM battery. They will charge at a much greater rate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Alan (WA) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 20:15

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 20:15
G'day Ray,

Thanks. As a result of your feedback, I have made a few more inquiries - 12 V Shop suggested that 20A would be max - but suggested confirming with Trojan site. The additional posts with links to Trojan site would appear to confirm that 10A is ok and beyond that, not only a waste of $, but damaging to battery.

Thanks again.

Such a great forum this one.

Regards
Alan
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 18:19

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 18:19
How about using the charging facility that is on the honda 10? or does it not swich off and have tendency to cook the battery?
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 18:54

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 18:54
Hi extfilm,

The 12V charging option on generators is just a 12V 8A (usually) output. Not enought to charge a battery which needs in excess of 12.8V and ideally 13.5-14.5V to charge properly.

It will get you out of the poo but I would not recommend relying on it.

Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 19:08

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 19:08
Thanks........ I always wondered about that..... Never had the opertunity to ask the question until now
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Follow Up By: Member - Alan (WA) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 20:05

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 20:05
Thanks for the suggestion. I just learnt something as well.
Regards
Alan
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Reply By: Grungle - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 19:13

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 19:13
Hi Alan,

I used to have the same battery in my truck (a while ago now). I am sure Trojan recommend a C/10 charge rate (from what I remember on the 27TMS spec sheet) which is 10% of the total amp hour capacity. As your battery is 115AHr then the max charger I think they would recommend is a 10A 3-stage type.

It is important not to put a high current charger on a small battery as damage could possibly result.

More info on charging their batteries is on their website.

This is just my opinion and others may vary from this.

Regards
David

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Follow Up By: Member - Alan (WA) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 20:01

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 20:01
Thanks alot David

After Ray's post, I rang the 12Volt Shop back - he suggested it was more like 20% of capacity - which would have meant the 20A was ok - and beyond that could cause damage. He did suggest checking the stats on Trojan's site. On looking at the links you have given me - I agree that 10A would appear to be the maximum.

Thanks for the assistance - very much appreciated.

Regards

Alan
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Reply By: Member- Rox (WA) - Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 22:34

Monday, Nov 27, 2006 at 22:34
Alan, The Arid battery (20Amp) charger is a good one. I had mine for 2.5 years B4 I sold my camper but I went a cheep D/C power crank battery No troubles on either. Also a Honda EU10i. Use a bread maker & charged everything else in 3 hours (time for Bread).
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Reply By: SunWizard - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 08:08

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 08:08
Jaycar MB3620 16 amp fully automatic 3/4 stage and automatically selects all battery types. You wont find better value for money or quality at $189
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 00:40

Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 00:40
Hi Alan

Best to do a forum search for 'Smart Charger' and see what the opionins are.

You may want to upgrade to an AGM as well at some time.

Regards

Derek.
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Follow Up By: Member - Alan (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 02:22

Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 02:22
Thanks Derek

I am happy with the Trojan at this stage, and will look to get a 10A smart charger I think.

Is there an industry body that gives factual information on different batteries. I already had the battery when I spoke to 12 Volt Shop - though I know they recommended the same one. 12 Volt Shop were very critical of what is happening in the market at the moment (they suggested that AGMs being pushed as the "flavour of the month" at the moment - unreasonably in their opinion. They do sell them, but generally for specific circumstances and generally not as auxillary setups for 4wds.

As merely a consumer, I think it would be great to be able to access non-marketing material - just the facts. LIfe is confusing enought don't you think? :)

I do not mean this as a dig at you - I read your posts regularly and appreciate your thougthts. And at the end of the day, you have to form your own opinion and do what you think is right for your circumstances.

Why is there such divergence in opinion with AGMs?

Regards

Alan

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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 08:21

Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 08:21
Hi Alan

Yes quite a good idea. I too sell all 3 types of batteries and will make up a basic no nonsense table for people to understand the differences.

AGM's are becoming more popular as they are like a power 'fuel tank'. You can use a bit and top up again and very quickly. I will try to make simple page to explain how this works v/s wet cell and std gel batteries.

I will start working on it.

Regards

Derek.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 22:08

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 22:08
The AGM Deep Cycle battery is manufactured to do a very specific job,
as is the very basic 'cranking' battery.

To refer to AGM batteries as a 'fuel tank' is very appropriate
as that's what they really are.

Good AGM's are expensive and heavy - but yes, they do work as is indicated above.

As with most items you can buy top of the range or go for a 'budget' priced item, you only get what you are prepared to pay for, it's realy hard to buy a Rolls for the same price as a VW.
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