Q for Troopy owners

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:25
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I understand with the (factory) fitted auxilliary fuel tank in a PETROL engine- the auxilliary pumps into the main tank. But in a DIESEL (1hz) the auxilliary pumps to the engine direct- not to the main tank.
Is this correct??
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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:33

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:33
Don't know about more recent Troopys but our '87 FJ75 pumps from either of the two factory fitted tanks to the engine, not tank-to-tank.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:34

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 10:34
OOps, forgot to say - ours is petrol -

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Reply By: Members - Bow - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:13

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:13
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Reply By: longJohn - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 14:07

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 14:07
Mine (95model 75 series) pumps from the rear tank, to the motor, and any fuel the motor doesnt use back to the main tank. I drive untill the rear tank is empty and then switch back over to the front tank.
Mind you, be carefull not to overfill the front tank while driving when using the rear tank. Its not a good idea to switch over to the rear tank untill the front tank is almost empty because of this.

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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 14:56

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 14:56
Good info.- thanks John
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 18:09

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 18:09
John,

Our petrol FJ75 did that once upon a time. It was very expensive.

Mine has 2 solenoid operated valves in the lines between tank and pump. One selects which tank to draw fuel from, the other selects which tank to return excess fuel to. One of my valves failed so that fuel was sourced from one tank and the excess returned to the other tank (just as you have described.) When the receiving tank is already full of fuel, something has to give. In my case, after the engine was turned off, fuel was forced through into the carby, (maybe through the fuel pump, maybe through the vent line, carbon filter etc). From there it overflowed to the inlet manifold and into the cylinder/s. Hit the starter, piston slams up and tries to compress the incompressible fuel, (a hydraulic lock) bends the con rod, very lucky not to break it (and the crank shaft). Cost - thousands.

How does it happen? There are no filters between the tanks and the valves so any rubbish, rust, etc in the tanks can reach the valves. If either one gets jambed in one position, there's a 50% chance excess fuel will be returned to the wrong tank. Toyoto doesn't deserve top marks for this design effort. There should be a filter in each line drawing from the tank. There should be one double changeover valve, rather than 2 independent valves. My troopy now has filters, though I had fitted 2 independent valves before realising the importance of using a double (multiport) unit. Suggest check out your valves - attached in my case to the main chassis member under floor below the driver's seat.

Hope you find something better than I did!

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Reply By: traveller2 - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 15:23

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 15:23
We had two 75's both diesel and the two tanks are totally seperate, both pickup and return lines changeover when you change tanks on the dash. Friends with 75's 8's and 9's all run the two as totally seperate sytems.
If the rear return line is pumping to the main I don't think it should, might be worth checking it out, I don't think Toyota would have designed a system that could lead to overfilling a tank.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 16:28

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 16:28
Agree with traveller there may be a solenoid problem.

The earlier model 75's used to have the fuel return go to the main tank, but I'd have thought it was changed before the mid 90's. These older models would overflow the main tank if you didn't use some from it regularly.

Have had a stick break one of the solenoid's hoses off, and had to get underneath and swap fuel lines.

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Follow Up By: ross - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 19:46

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 19:46
x2 I thought the whole idea was to be able to isolate a tank with contaminated fuel.
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 16:43

Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 16:43
you are correct
Petrol's pump tank to tank,deisel's draw directly from what tank is selected
the reason for this i'm told is because the petrol motor is fed from an expensive high pressure pump from inside the tank(deisel's dont) cheaper for toyota to built with one high pressure pump than two
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Reply By: troopyman - Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 08:38

Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 08:38
I have a 1998 1HZ diesel and when i press the aux tank button the main tank gauge needle rises over time . IE seems to be filling the main tank from the aux tank . I am not imagining this .
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