Our dog had a run-in with some wild dogs...

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This is some serious s h i t. A couple of mornings ago I awoke to the sound of our dog, 'Buddha' going ballistic. I came tearing down the stairs, half asleep recovering from a night shift, my wife not quite hysterical telling me that 'he's down there, I think there's three of them'

From the moment I woke up I heard barking, yelps, howling and while I was standing outside with Jen I could hear Buddha above it all barking for all he was worth.

I know it wasn't the neighbours' dogs because they started their own symphony in response to what was going on at our place. Besides, they have met before and don't take to each other's throats.

Eventually Buddha returned and we discovered that he was bleeding(not profusely) and thought it was due to running through the Bougainvillea or another thorny bush that abounds here but on closer inspection found quite a few gashes in his hind quarters and inner thigh area.

Off to the vet. 'Wild dogs for sure and these wounds were caused by quite large canine teeth, in fact, the largest I've seen. You're lucky they didn't kill him'. Inspiring words. But we know that they didn't kill him because he chased them off regardless of his injuries. He is our little hero.

We brought him home full of stitches and wondered about things like 'What if Buddha was inside and the kids were out there?' and 'How come we've never come across this before and we've never heard of the problem from others or read about it in the local etc?'

We emailed the local council about what channels to go through in regards to the situation and haven't heard back.

Overnight he chewed his stitches out. Back to the vet. 'We'll put one of those plastic lampshades on his head so he can't do it again'. Well, der, why didn't you do that yesterday? That's right, we , in our stressed state were supposed to think of that. But hang on, I thought that is why we paid you professionals hundreds of dollars; so you could tell us what to do. We argued the price for the second visit because we wouldn't have even been there if they had put the collar on the first time. Great little money-spinner, that one.

Now, what to do? 'Shoot'em' I hear you shout. Don't have a gun; don't know anyone that has a gun. Baiting; we've got a dog and no fenced area around the house to keep him contained.

For now we have one sorry lookin' mut that keeps crashing into everything because he can't account for the lampshade around his neck. We need to wash his wounds for the next 2-3 weeks with salt water to help prevent infection (which he hates).
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Reply By: russ36 - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 05:56

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 05:56
wild dogs can have mange which is contagious...perhaps you can ask the vet about it if he hasnt already thought about it. perhaps he needs a needle or something?
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:16

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:16
Are you out in the bush , semi rural or what ?
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:37

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:37
Russ, he got a needle and is on antibiotics, don't know if anything specific for mange. Thanks for the tip.

Yes Willie, in the hills West of Murwillumbah. Probably categorized as semi-rural but their is loads of uncleared land in the district. We are surrounded by bush.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:16

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:16
Visit the nearest gun shop and ask if they know anyone who would be prepared to shoot them for you. If that fails visit a local small arms target club or clay pigeon club and ask there.

In the meantime apply for a firearms licence yourself.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Footloose - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:50

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:50
You are not the problem, you are a victim. It shouldn't be up to you to supply a solution. Your council has the authority and resources to combat the problem. Get on their case. Don't take any bull from the office girls, go as far up the slippery pole as you can. Contact your local councillor and media if the response isn't what you need. (they love those stories).
You pay rates, now it's time for the council to justify them !
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:24

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:24
Totally agree but a snowballs chance in hell of any authority acting on wild dogs. graziers in north east Vic have been battling for years for something to be done about the wild dog population in the bush up there, wild dogs that have been mauling many sheep. yet still no action........
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 16:50

Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 16:50
$2 a dog reward in the pilbara for culling - I think you need a roo culling license tho.
WA has a system in place- your state might have one already as well.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 16:53

Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 16:53
"$2 a dog reward in the pilbara for culling"

So they're a protected species over there, eh. Sounds like they want them left alone.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 09:12

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 09:12
Bware,

Go with Footy's advice. Your local council has a responsibility and the resources for feral animal control. You are obviously not a 'gun person' so that's out. By the way, the process for obtaining a gun license in NSW is a long and tedious journey.

Make enquiries through your local publican if all else fails. They generally have far more idea of what "services" are unofficially available in the community.

Wish I had the time available for a visit :))))
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Reply By: snowman - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 10:50

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 10:50
I think the best advice anyone could give you is to "be part of the solution, not part of the problem". Your dog is no different to the wild dogs if you dont KEEP IT CHAINED UP.

Cheers Dave

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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:37

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:37
another truely smart aussie comment ..
chaining up dogs is like bashing your kids .. oh sorry 80% of Australians do it ..
so it must be right ..

gmd
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Follow Up By: cackles - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:41

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:41
No doubt 'buddha' should not be roaming but like bware has stated his yard isn't fenced and if buddha were to be chained he would most certainly be cornered and killed by these feral dogs.
I think a fence may be in order bware along with some strong words with council about the problem, making particular reference to the kids that could get hurt next time.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:57

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:57
Yup, chain the dog up so he cant run when the other wild dogs come back, brilliant! Cure to the problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (Kununurra) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:57

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 11:57
another truely smart aussie comment ..
chaining up dogs is like bashing your kids .. oh sorry 80% of Australians do it ..
so it must be right ..

gmd

Are you for real!!!!
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 12:36

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 12:36
Snow man; HAHAHAHAHAHA are you serious? Before you make ludicrous statements it pays to have all the facts. We live on 100 bush acres, the dog doesn't roam from the immediate surrounds of the house. He keeps the snakes away from the house. He gives my wife a sense of security while I'm working at night. He is kept inside at night, not like all the 'domestic' cats i see on the side of the road at night on my way home from work. He doesn't terrorize neighbours, their pets or their stock. The wild dogs were within 5 metres of our back door (that is where the bush starts); Buddha was performing one of the tasks that dogs are owned for in a rural area. Chained up... as Cackles and Truckster have said, he would now be dead.
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Follow Up By: snowman - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:14

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:14
You really have no idea(don't feel bad because by the look of things your not the only one).
I get paid to carry out feral animal control and I have a farm and have had many occasions when wild dogs have attacked and killed my sheep. Out of all the wild dogs that i have shot attacking my sheep, guess what.......they were all domestic dogs!
"the dog doesn't roam from the immediate surrounds of the house. He keeps the snakes away from the house. He gives my wife a sense of security while I'm working at night. He is kept inside at night, not like all the 'domestic' cats i see on the side of the road at night on my way home from work. He doesn't terrorize neighbours, their pets or their stock."
I have heard all the story's how poach would never do that! Its a real good feeling when you have to go and tell you neighbour that you just shoot their family pet because it decided to attack your sheep.

Dogs need to be under control at all times. Where do you think these wild dogs come from? If these dogs came up to your house they would be domestic dogs gone wild.
I am sorry that your dog was attacked but their was nothing to stop your dog from joining up with the wild dogs and going and attacking someone else's dog.

Cheers Dave
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 14:40

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 14:40
snowman's got it - over the last twenty years my parents have lost tens of thousands of dollars worth of stock (sheep and calves) to dog attacks - *ALL* of them have been domestic dogs that can be tracked to local "hobbyfarm" owners that don't contain their animals at night.

Not many dingoes wear collars and have microchips. Domestic dogs from several properties WILL form packs at night and kill livestock for sport - we've had everything from blue heelers and farm mongrels, to pure bred great danes and poodles.

The most interesting experience was when my 10yo sister (at the time) was bailed up by a great dane on our back doorstep around 10pm one night. Dog lived 2km away (we knew the owner), yet was in our yard that night.

If you're a dog owner in a semi-rural setting - keep your dogs indoor or chained at night, even if only for their own protection - another neighbour lost two dogs to baits in an area that's dingo free - someone was putting baits out for dogs.

Chaining a dog (properly) is NOT cruel - it's no different to being on a lead. Just don't be stupid and use a chocker chain as a collar.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 15:31

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 15:31
"You really have no idea (don't feel bad because by the look of things your not the only one)". .....Are you serious.

Did you actually read Brian's first post?

Contrary to what conclusion you have come to about us - we are responsible dog owners and respect our land more than you could ever know. To explain ourselves is a waste of energy to a person like you who dumps all pet owners in the same boat. But, I will say that our dog never roams at night - and we know this for a fact - not because we don't think our dog would ever do such a thing, we are far from being ignorant!. To word posts such as yours is extremely antagonistic and maybe if you thought a little more about how you were trying to get your point across - your words may have had a better effect rather than bleep us off, especialy myself as I find people like you extremely iritating, annoying and unneccessary, hence my need to reply to this.

I have posted a similar thread on a Forum that I am a member of and the responses I received had excellent advice - like most of the follow ups on this thread, but follow ups like yours aren't contructive in any way.

Jen - Brian's wife.
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Follow Up By: snowman - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 17:32

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 17:32
Hi Brian & Jen,

I am sorry that i have upset you both. I can appreciate that you are proud of what Buddha did for you and upset in the injuries he received. I should have better worded my responses so you both didn't feel that i was attacking you personally.

As we make our comments base on the limited amount of information supplied maybe you would better understand my point of view if i went into all the wild dogs that i have killed or the sheep that i have lost to dogs or even if i sent you a pic of my daughters face after a great dane took a disliking to it.

As for dealing with the wild dogs you would be better to get in contact with the local rural lands protection board and ask them for help. They employ dog trappers and would also want to know of the wild dogs. If your property is next to National Park or State Forest i would contact them also for assistance.

The contact for the Tweed/Lismore area RLPB for wild dogs is
Neil Hing
66 212317
0402 000762
neil.hing@rlpb.org.au

I hope this will help you

Cheers Dave

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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:22

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:22
Thankyou for that reply, Dave. It is appreciated. As is the information at the end. I do understand where you are coming from; all dogs are potential ferals, even ours ;-)
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Reply By: Johnny boy - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 12:05

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 12:05
Hi Bware
If all else fails you might want to contact the R.S.P.C.A or an organisation called WIRES as they may be able to set up traps that wont harm any domestic or wild animals and once captured they can deal with them appropriately that way you don't put any green's or tree huggers offside and the job is no hassle to you ??

Good luck and watch those children!!

Regards J,B.
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Follow Up By: Phillipn - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:30

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:30
Who knows ? Maybe greenies own the dogs that are giving you the problem.
That is the case here where I live.

Solution--Have an open season on the dogs and the greenies.
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:38

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 13:38
What ever you do, if you obtain the services of someone with firearms and they are not a designated "feral animal terminator" be carefull. Some ppl who happen to own firearms are just blood thursty and may not be too intersested whether the animal is actually dead, as long as they "got a hit".

Your wife probably wouldn't like the idea anyway, but if that's the coarse you take, they should at least have the compassion to do the job properly.
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Follow Up By: 666toy - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 19:49

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 19:49
hey there Muzzgit ,
Now i think your comments are very much untrue (yes i noticed you said SOME) but the truth is 99.9% of licensed shooters do not have a rambo attitude. ALL sporting shooters strive for a one shot kill. Very rarely does a dingo or dog not have a instant death when hit by a high velocity projectile. Please do not stereo type shooters as you will be severely mistaken...no offence intended but you seem to be making a hit on a sport that you don't understand.
No different to the greens attacking 4x4 owners please do not be a hypocrite....remember shooters , fishermen, 4x4 owners & trail bike riders all like to get away in the bush..In a lot of ways we are all striving for the same thing ..to explore this great country & look after it with common sense rules not a gov "lock it up" attitude...666toy
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 23:42

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 23:42
Not at all 666toy. In my younger days we lived in rural WA in dairy farming country, and it seemed everyone but my old man had a rifle or two. I never saw these firearms used in a way that wasn't their intended purpose.....feral animals, hurt/injured livestock that couldn't be saved, or large snakes that ventured to close to the farm house.

When we moved to Perth I had quite a few freinds with rifles and it wasn't just the demeaner of these people when out shooting, it was with them all the time. Hatred & hurt... I'm tough I shoot things.

Anyone who has met me will know this is not my persona, not even close, hense I no longer associate with those people, but please do not think for one moment that I was having a go at everyone who chooses to own a firearm. Just those who have no compassion for an animal, even if they are about to kill it.
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Follow Up By: 666toy - Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 00:51

Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 00:51
my apologies i must have misunderstood your post. I agree with you there in your response . We can do without the "i don't give a stuff attitude" in the shooting sports & the 4x4 arena. Personally i strive for a clean kill no matter what the target & every one i hunt with is the same ....see ya round the traps one day...666toy
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 15:32

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 15:32
When we had a pair of 'town dogs' rip up all the sheep in one paddock, my husband got in two good shots, then got the shire ranger out. They then had to shoot the rest of the badly injured sheep. But you have to 'catch them in the act' and have the gun ready - not much help if you have to hire someone to wait in case they come again. The so called dog owners suddenly changed the colour of their missing dogs when the story got around. My children still remember being vegetarian for a year as the dogs destroyed a good year's worth of meat from the larder paddock.

In another town where we once lived, farmers were losing sheep at night from dog packs. The people across the street found their dog had gone missing overnight once (an our dog would NEVER roam family). Only believed it when they were shown the body by the ranger, as the farmer eventually had to stay up all night for several nights waiting to shoot the pack.

I sure hope Buddha gets well soon, and you can find someone to trace and shoot the perpetrators, who i would imagine are domestic dogs to come in to your yard like that. Does your shire ranger have dog traps?
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Reply By: ev700 - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 16:13

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 16:13
The giveaway signs that a dog has been running with a pack at night and worrying other animals are that they are dirty, dishevelled and a bit wet (and still excitable, but tired) in the morning. It is not unusual for a pack of dogs to sort out hierarchy so one of them or more could take part in a fight at some time during the evening.

Hopefully Bware's dog was not out on a hunt, however it is not unusual for dogs that are on the loose of an evening to revert to pack behaviour.

I am a big bloke and some years ago I was bailed up by a large dog in my own unfenced backyard in a city suburb. I watering the tomatoes and he suddenly appeared growling. He was only deterred by a hardwood tomato stake. Never happened to me over many years spent out bush. I could imagine that in a pack he would attack a person or animal because he was totally unafraid.

I came from the country and have culled many dogs that attacked sheep and cows. Most dog attacks near towns are domestic dogs that were allowed to roam at night. All breeds did it, including smaller ones.

Bware, I would keep Buddha in an enclosure at night for protection against himself and others.
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 17:37

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 17:37
Sorry to hear about Budhha, I know what you are saying about the bucket over the head, our Simba has just had an operation and the vet gave us a special collar to put around her neck to stop her from pulling on the bandage, however I couldn't stand listening to her in the dark banging on things to get it off so I took it off myself and slept on the floor with her for a couple of nights and trained her not to lick in that area. We are lucky with the bathing as Simba just lays on the floor while we bathe her wound and replace the bandage.

Hope your Budhha heals up quick. her wounds must have been fairly bad for you to need to bathe for 2-3 weeks.

Cheers


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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 19:05

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 19:05
Brian and Jen ,

I think I would buy a couple of baits and place them near the house at dusk . Put your dog inside for the night and in the morning , go out and collect the baits .

I would do that for a week and see if any baits were taken . If you do not get a dog you might still knock off a couple of foxes or feral cats .

I would put a note on the door each night to remind yourself to collect the baits before releasing your own dog .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:17

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:17
Baiting is a horrendous way to solve a dog problem. Trapping is far more humane.
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Reply By: 666toy - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 19:20

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 19:20
If you cannot find a local shooter (you might like to try the Sporting Shooters Accociation of Australia 02 96234900) although i am sure someone in your area would be able to help out . These pests do need culling . Once feral dogs become a problem they are hard to get rid of without shooting . Do not bait you most likely will get your own dog on a small property (or the neighbours) All sporting shooters that i have ever met believe in a clean humane kill the & rambo attitude is very far & few between. You are wasting your time with the local "authorities" as you most likely will get a "we will keep a eye on the situation" response & in the mean time you will have a huge vet bill or worse a injured family member or dead pet
Do yourself a favour ( & your neighbours) get a shooter in . Does you property border with a national park or large private property? Do the dogs come regally? Possibly keep your own dog indoor's or in a enclosure of a night until the problem is sorted. Try you local gun store someone will gladly help you out.
have you thought of getting a firearms licence yourself ? It is drawn out but it is a rewarding sport to be involved in plus you will have the ability to deal with the problem your self in the future if it ever happens again....hope this helps ...666toy
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:26

Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:26
Sad news Brian, I hope Buddha recovers quickly.

If you want to do it humanely, can I suggest keeping Buddha securely inside over the next couple of weeks and put an electric fence temporarily around your back yard (on an overnight timer so the kids and Buddha can't be zapped during the day) and wait for the yelps. Dogs are very smart and it will only take a couple of hits and they won't come back. We used to do this when our bitches were on heat and even then the local wondering dogs wouldn't come too close even with all those smells pouring into their noses from our bitches.
You could always leave the electric fence erected and only plug it in if the mongrels return at a later date. You may get a few stray "locals" looking for plots down in the area you live in also, so you could be doing more favours than you anticipate LOL!!!

Cheers and good luck with whatever you end up doing.
Trevor.
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Reply By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 13:25

Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 13:25
Thankyou everyone for your replies.

If they are true ferals, their range could be huge in this area and it is the first sign of this type of activity we've come across in the 20 months we've been here. If they are long gone, shooting them seems a very slim chance. We will first try to establish the extent of the problem through locals and council and see where we go from there.

I see from some of the replies that the story needs some clarification:
Buddha is already kept indoors at night.
Although he is a 30kg dog he acts like a lap dog; he is inside when we are inside. If I go out to put rubbish in the bin he follows me out and back in.
He follows 5yo Cooper around like a 'lost puppy' and when Cooper is at day care, Buddha sits in the shade of the car port and waits for him to come home.
On the morning of the 'incident' he was outside with Jen while she was hanging out the washing.
We do have a chain outside but the only time it is needed is when we don't want Buddha to lick to death our visitors LOL

Cheers,

Brian
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Reply By: Member - John L G - Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 14:14

Monday, Dec 04, 2006 at 14:14
Not good Bware and I can understand your distress for Buddha and concerns for the family.

Perhaps you might like to invest in a mate for Buddha in the form of a Maremma Sheepdog.

dogbreedinfo.com/maremmasheepdog.htm

Absolutely the best breed of dog/companion around, fantastic with kids and I can gaurantee the wild dogs or any thing else threatening your family for that matter will no longer be a problem.

Regards
John G
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