I've forgotten the amps conversion formula again.
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Member - Ozdyssey (QLD)
Can someone tell me how many amps/hr will a Lemair washing machine use running through an inverter?
The machines specs say it uses bewtween 225-260watts while running.
Also while I've got you -
Do I need a pure sine wave inverter?
and
can I get away with a 300w or would a 500w be safer? $$$$!!!
and
what's the best value inverter to buy?
Thks in advance my learned friends. :)
John
Reply By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:01
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:01
BTW the machine will be mounted in the van.
What size cable should be used from inverter to batteries which are about 3mts away.
Am I dreaming trying to run the machine through an inverter. Should I just fire up the genny each time but can't always do that in some
places.
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Follow Up By: 10 Para (Qld) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:25
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:25
Ozdyssey,
20 T shirts 20 Shorts lot lighter that the washing mashine, do the washing when you on the occasions you check in the van parks.
how is the van going
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:41
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:41
G'day
How's the fishing?
I've sent you an email offline
John
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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:34
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:34
John,
The amps required to run an inverter from 12V are given roughly by dividing the load wattage by 10. This allows a bit for inefficiency in the inverter. So your washing machine will require about 22 to 26 amps from the battery when running. The big problem is that it may draw much much more (guess 3 or more times that) when starting its motor. A 600W inverter probably won't handle this. Another weak link is the battery - deep cycle batteries don't like delivering over 20 amps for long periods.
Sine wave? No. Generally speaking, only sensitive electronic gear will need a pure sine wave inverter. Motors should be fine on a "modified" sine wave or worse.
Just a thought - does the proposed machine heat its own
water? If so, forget the whole project unless you're going to carry a big generator. Heating will require another 1000 to 2000 watts. (That's 100 to 200 amps, about the current drawn by the starter motor or a winch, and not something to draw from any sensible sized battery for very long.)
Generator - probably the best way to go if you really must carry a washing machine.
I like the idea of carrying extra clothes and washing when you get to a coin operated machine. Will cost a lot less than any washing machine plus suitable inverter and enough battery capacity to run it (or a generator).
Sorry to throw cold
water on the idea, but it's just not a good one!
HTH
John
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:47
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:47
I have done the occasional hand wash between coin operated machines too.
Less to carry that way, and one less thing to go wrong and fix.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:02
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:02
Thks John
Yeah I know a bloody washing machine, but we're on the road fulltime for a few years so if I wanted my 101 gadgets the dragon was to have her 1.
Only washing in cold
water.
22-26amps! Forget it - sounds like I'm ditching the inverter idea and running the genny when needed.
Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:37
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:37
John,
Didn't realise you're on the road semipermanently. I can understand SWMBO wanting a machine. A generator seems the way to go - you'd have to run the vehicle engine to power an inverter anyway - a vehicle engine would be an expensive generator to run!
BTW - you obviously have internet access when travelling - have you got a good way of achieving this?
John
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:54
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:54
John
No probs - looked at all the internet options and went with Telstra CDMA due to coverage. Slow in smaller towns and areas but at least you can get connected and send an email.
Sierra Wireless card slots into laptop and then click connect and your away. Broadband speed in the big smokes. Costs 49/mth for 20 hours which is usually heaps of time. Went for hours instead of mb because it's only allows 200mb which doesn't take long to use up. Use built in wireless on the laptop to connect where we can get it for free or cheap.
Telstra will sell you a new NextG card now that has same coverage as CDMA and is supposed to be faster - we'll see. The technology is pretty complex I've read so it could have some bugs especially on mobiles if you want to use video or TV etc.
John
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Reply By: Robin - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:06
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:06
Hi John
Can't go wrong with a big enough (500w min.) sine wave inverter provided
it has >1000w surge rating.
But you can do better cost and efficentcy wise with a square wave
if it does the job.
I do not know that exact appliance , but in general a square wave should
do the trick.
In either case I wouldn't buy without checking.
Looking at standard retail options , I would go for something like
Jaycar MI 5108 , which is a 600w square wave , but with 1500w
surge capacity and soft start. ($249)
Check 250w is the full watts and that it doesn't heat its
water.
The surge rating should be not less than 5 times the running watts.
In recent post 39850 , I explored other options and would expect
you could easily get a sub $200 inverter.
Leads would be 8 gauge or 8mm2 , no less and with 50amp connectors
in required.
Always run my engine when running much from inverter as only have
one battery and all here is designed for low weight low hassle.
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:23
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:23
Thks Robin much apprec'd
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Reply By: wazzaaaa - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:04
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:04
Hi John, I have a Lemair and I have run it off my caravan inverter and the genny.
If we are washing I usually tend to use the genny when it is charging my batterys but have no trouble with the inverter running it on its own.
Mine is 650w continious and 1000w surge,
inverters are cheap at the moment I just bought a new one for $299 it is 2000w continious 4000w surge it will even boil the jug if I wanted to.
Wazza
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Follow Up By: Member - Ozdyssey (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:15
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:15
Hi Wazza
Thks for that.
What brand did you buy and does the machine need a pure sine wave inverter?
John
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Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:36
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:36
John, they are both modified sine wave and I have no trouble with any electrical item I run off it, even the digital clock runs fine although I have heard they can act up. The one I am updating is Dick Smith but the one I bought off ebay is a no brand name made in taiwan (The dick smith one came from there anyway) I bought the ebay one after reading a previous extensive post on these
inverters on ebay and it seems to be great. The post was 39850 by Robin Miller
Wazza
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