2 or 1.5 tonne axle?
Submitted: Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 01:54
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Barnesy
Gday, Some advice or experience please. I'm weighing up which axle/brake combo to get for my camper trailer. Currently have 2 tonne unbraked axle and am going for new axle with electric drum brakes. I have 2 options:
A 2 tonne rated axle with 12 inch drums:
or a 1.5 tonne with 10 inch drums.
The trailer will be loaded up for around Oz trip through outback tracks weighing between 1 - 1.2 tonne. Obviously the 2 tonne will be tougher but are they worth the extra money? $1050 compared to $1450. Bearing in mind the roads I will be going on.
Advice or experience appreciated.
Barnesy
Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 07:24
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 07:24
>>Obviously the 2 tonne will be tougher
and
>> Bearing in mind the roads I will be going on.
I think your answer is there.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:28
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:28
what type of roads will he be going on?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:29
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:29
ya dummy, he isnt going ON roads, he is going OFF them.. so the condition of the road doesnt matter :P
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:48
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:48
I knew that!...just testing you...
does every one else know or should we keep it from them
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:57
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:57
hush little darling, dont say a word...
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:06
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:06
my lips are sealed
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Reply By: Ozrover - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:43
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:43
Barnesy.
I'd be more concerned with what
suspension you'll be using, leaf or coil springs, or even air bags, shockies or no shockies??
Lower unsprung weight would be my preference so if the trailers max GVM is only 1 tonne, I'd probably go the lighter axle & spend more in the spring/shockies combo.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:03
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:03
I would second this, the thing most likely to fail are your springs. Don't be conservative in adding your weights either, little things add up and it will suprise you how heavy the trailer ends up being when you load for an extended trip. I have the 2 tonne axles mated to 1500Kg leave springs for a trailer that goes around 1400Kg loaded. The manufacturer will have no idea how much stuff you put in these things, in my case he used 1200Kg springs because no one ever carries more that a tonne (notwithstanding that the 2 tonne axle is standard) so
mine failed after a short distance. I now advocate knowing the spring carrying capacity and the laden weight of your trailer.
Just some more food for thought.
Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Barnesy - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:38
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:38
Thanks,
The springs are rated to about 1750 kg, heavy duty rebound leaves with no shockers. 1400 kg Beatit, hmm, I haven't actually weighed my trailer fully loaded yet. Gives me something else to think about.
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Follow Up By: Barnesy - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:44
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:44
That's an impressive snake in your photos Beatit. Some sort of python I assume?
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:08
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 10:08
Yeah not my photo but taken in the Kimbeley. It is huge. Thought I had the weight under control (so to speak) and was really surprised when I took it over the weigh bridge - until then I had total cofidence about the manufacturer! Things like jerry full cans X 4, full
water tank and tinnie as
well as a chock a block trailer are best measured when they are in/on the trailer (bit hard I know) but the manufacturer told me the unladen weight was around 525Kg and when I added everything it didn't end up anywhere near 1400 - if only I weighed it before I loaded it as
well.
All the best with the project.
Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Barnesy - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:37
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:37
Beatit, what are your bearings rated to? The reason i ask is that my other option is to retrofit brakes to my existing 2 tonne axle, my only concern was they are only rated to 1500kg. This would be $500 cheaper but unsure about strength of bearings and how much of a beating they would take on corrugations.
Thanks
Barnesy
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 10:51
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 10:51
G'day mate,
Well it's a working week so I'm back at the puter - sorry for the delay. I don't really know the bearing capacity but they are parallel bearings and considerably bigger than the box trailer (as evidenced by a bigger dust cap. My understanding is this is what rates my axle to 1900 Kg - I was once told that it is the axle carrier capacity that is stamped on the plate. (ie. not the sum total including
the springs - I don't get that part)
I noticed your other post and it is what Dodger said.
Kind regards
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:47
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:47
Barnsey,
If you're ever going to see corrugations, I'd go the heavier axle. $400 extra is cheap insurance if you go off the beaten track.
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Follow Up By: Ozrover - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 08:16
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 08:16
Gerday Phil,
Yep go the heavier axle, but PUT SHOCKIES ON IT, you have to control the unsprung weight.
The corrrrrrugations rattle everything loose, but it's the BIG hits that break things, I'm even going so far as fitting travel limiting straps to the axle of the camper.
Last trip to
Cape York & home via
Birdsville, I broke three main leaves on the trailer, every one after a big hit from an unobserved pothole/ditch in the road.
Everyone said "no you don't need shockies with leaf springs" even the manufacturer that supplied them, BS put them on, just for peace of mind.
Then something else will break! 8 )>
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