Daylight Saving
Submitted: Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 15:44
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Gerhardp1
Now that WA has joined in with Daylight Saving it's amusing to see all the ancient chestnuts about cows not giving as much milk, etc, being recycled.
When D/S changes the GMT+/- number by one hour, all the
wheels for that region seem to fall off, and all sorts of bunk gets written about the dire consequences of this for crops et al.
Everyone (almost) forgets that the non D/S time that is chosen for a region is utimately based on GMT +/-, this figure being another arbitrarily chosen figure.
But in reality, it was a human decision that when the sun was at point x in the sky on date y, it was 12.00 at Greenwich. Maybe that was wrong, and should have been 11.00am.
Then we would have permanent daylight saving and all this B/S wouldn't need to be heard.
Long live D/S, I first enjoyed it in Tassie many years and years ago, now also in VIC, even though it starts too late here.
Reply By: equinox - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 15:59
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 15:59
Perth is on -8GMT which is at 120° Long.
So in fact as
Perth is 115° they actually get 16 or 17 minutes free daylight saving all year round. Now as DS has been introduced we actually get 76 or 77 minutes of daylight saving.
People who live West of 120° do not need daylight savings.
And as for the the old wives tales being recycled - I watch some TV, listen to some commercial radio but mostely ABC. I dont believe they are being recycled at all.
Most intellects do not support DS and only intellects will understand why.
But I guess dumb-arses have a right to vote too!!!!
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:04
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:04
An intellect (you probably mean intellectual) who calls someone a dumb-arse for having an opinion is really showing intellect.
Go the insults, they beat rational discussion any day, don't they.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:34
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:34
And although I don't live in
Perth, it's not hard to know that
Perth is actually +8GMT.
This is a definition of Longitude - "Imaginary lines that cross the surface of the Earth, running from north to south, measuring how far east or west of the prime meridian a place is located"
You are missing the point I make that GMT is an imaginary reference point, and then defining your lack of thought process by quoting it's relevance to another imaginary reference point.
I doubt that anyone can take you seriously with such fundamental logic flaws.
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Follow Up By: ferris - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 20:46
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 20:46
I maybe an intellect, or maybe a dumb arse....that's for others to judge, but I'll bet daylight savings was designed to get lazy intellects out of bed one hour earlier.
Keep the shiny side up.
Ferris
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Reply By: XpLoiT - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:19
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:19
god dam i just thought it was a way to get more hours in the day when most people sleep :)
haha
dave
The
Grey Nomads
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:21
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:21
gerhardp1
Don' t forget to take your curtains down, or that extra hour of daylight will make them fade. lol
Long live daylight saving I love it.
Regards Bob
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:21
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:21
Ho Boo Boo - I was at school when daylight saving was introduced in NSW and did a little project that showed the curtins do fad because of daylight saving. Back then most houses had venetion blinds next to the window and then curtins - so when you get up, the first think people did was open the blinds which then exposed the curtins to the light - so when daylight saving came in the blinds were being opened one hour sooner to sunrise so exposing the curtins to one hour light extra day - whether they faded or not I don't know but it is one story that does have a little bit of truth too it. However, if you didn't have blinds and only curtins then it wasn't true - or indeed, if you didn't have blinds and you pulled your curtins to the side when you got up, daylight saving actually saved your curtins being exposed to the sun by one hour because there was less time for them to be exposed to the early morning sun.
Now - don't forget they can also be faded by a new moon - but I cannot work out yet how to link that to daylight saving. LOL
Garry
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Reply By: Darren C - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:34
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:34
Got to agree - love that extra hour......
Was great to be able to go for a walk down at
the beach at 8pm and watch the sun go down (and amazing the number of people out and about enjoying themselves, some of whom no doubt were against Daylight Savings!!)
Cheers
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Follow Up By: mike w (WA) - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:02
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:02
yes, its great all these people down
the beach, enjoying the extra sunlight, but whos cooking the chops??!! LOL
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:54
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 16:54
yep the knockers have pretty much been proven wrong. I see many people out and about in the arvos (including kids)enjoying the extra light. I have used the light for some barbies and gardening (so it doesnt need doing on the weekends) and next wek we will be popping up to Mundaring to do some of the walk tracks and have a barbie.
Its still light at 5.30 which is plenty early enough.
Perth actually wasnt too badly off as far as evening light went, It was however a hassel in Kalgoorlie as the sun sets earlier there and I couldnt go shooting after work unless I was reel quick and the late starts deprived us of working in the coolest hours (no not everyone gets to choose their start/finish times).
Actually heading to Kal this W end to catch up with a mate whose work xmas do is on this evening at hamond
park taking advantage of the evening light
It seems that none of the dire predictions of the doomsayers have come true
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:13
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:13
It's also ironic that QLD rejects D/S because "it wouldn't work here"
QLD has a substantial
population affected by early sunset and short twilight, which are prime reasons to adjust the arbitrary time.
We heard it all in Tassie years ago, and Tassie certainly wasn't the first place on earth to have D/S, although the leader in AU in the "modern era".
I have loved D/S from day 1...
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:26
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:26
hang on I will qualify my post by saying I realize there is no extra light but more light in the pm due to clock fiddling coz so many knockers think we dont realize there has been no extra hour of light. I shall from now on refer to it as evening light not extra light
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:34
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:34
Actually, you are not incorrect in calling it extra light, since it is light you can utilise over and above that which you have already used (and can never use again.)
Ergo, it's extra :)
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 19:56
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 19:56
Hi Davoe,
Gardening in
Nullagine?????!!!!
Trying to out-do the
Marble Bar melon competition?
Maybe the extra sun has gotten to you!! ;-)
Gerry
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Reply By: Exploder - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:49
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:49
“Now that WA has joined in with Daylight Saving it's amusing to see all the ancient chestnuts about cows not giving as much milk, etc, being recycled.”
Have you tried to buy milk in WA in the last Week, it’s tough I tells ya.
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:56
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:56
With the drought and all, we'll all have to be drinking imported beer soon :)
And because it takes longer after work to get to midnight, we'll have to drink more of it. Bugger
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:58
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 17:58
You are all being conned. There is no such thing as "Daylight Saving" you still only get the same amount of daylight. You talk about lines of longitude. Yes you are correct in that matter but consider lines of latitude. W.A. is so close to the
tropic of Capricorn that what is commonly known as daylight saving has little effect on the amount of sunlight that we receive. If we lived further south the effect of the so called daylight saving would have a greater effect.
"Daylight Saving" is something thought up by politicians and we all know what we think of politicians. Personally I could not care less but my dog does not like it
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 18:07
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 18:07
The process of adjusting the clock has been given a label.
That label is "Daylight Saving". Rolls off the tongue more easily than "Adjusted Time For Summer" or whatever else.
It's also frequnetly referred to as "Summer Time"
Good of you to point out that we are not actually saving any daylight, though.
We didn't know that.
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Follow Up By: Darren C - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 18:58
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 18:58
Very true - no such thing as Daylight saving in the UK - its simply called "British Summer Time" and in winter its good old GMT.
The effect the farther north and south you go is pretty dramatic though - gets dark in UK at 10pm in summer but conversely 3-4pm in winter.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 19:01
Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 19:01
Only means two things up here ...Cant go swimming in the lake before work and air con is on longer after work
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Reply By: fisho64 - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 00:54
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 00:54
seems that the only people w..king on about cows not milking and curtains fading are the PRO "daylight savers"
cant say that I have seen any "anti DS'ers" referring to it?
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Reply By: wafarmer - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:17
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 02:17
My solar panels put more charge in the batteries now with the extra daylight.
wafarmer
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 11:33
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 11:33
I heard something that did shock me yesterday though in relation to the drought & daylight savings. According to this "Expert" the planet has been jolted on it's axis by 1 degree caused by the tsunami last boxing day.....Don't aske me to go & measure it...
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Follow Up By: mike w (WA) - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:10
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:10
yes, your correct. I read a article about it in an emergency management journal last year. I cant remember the specifics, but I do remember it also refering to she shape of the earth, it also bulged out more. Dont quote me, trying hard to remember. I will look in the pile next to the thunderbox and see if I can find it.
This could, and possibly is having an effect on the goining ons of the earth at the moment. the earth and is processes are set to such fine tollerences, and this moving of the earth could possibly be affecting natural processes, such as misaligning weather patterns, amounts of sunlight that areas are getting etc. It would be interesting to find out if any one has researched this, and what they have found
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:05
Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:05
Further to a previous post, a gentleman never discusses politics, religion or daylight saving in polite company.
Makes no difference to me as I work when required, what time or day it is means bugger all. The handbrake loves it though.
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