Chainsaw Question

Submitted: Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:16
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Hi, I have acquired a chain saw from my late fathers shed (found it down the back) and I am about to give it a good clean and service. I know it work because he always used it and looked after it.

What I would like to know is what is the fuel ratio mix for the two stroke fuel. It is an Echo 660EVL.

Thanks.

Karl
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Reply By: Gmouse - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:28

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:28
Look Here

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Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:34

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:34
Beat me to the punch...
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:34

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:34
lCS-660EVL product info
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Reply By: Ron George - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:57

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:57
Karl, A 60:1 ratio would be around about right for a used saw, any richer & they tend to get a bit fumy, you could go leaner but you would need to know what you are looking at & interpreting the signs... a little bit of acquired science there... If you get it wrong it can led to over heating & seizure, I’m sure others will offer variations on the above, so it’s a starting point & like everything else in the forum... Food for thought... that’s what makes it so good. Cheers Ron.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:33

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 12:33
60 :1 ???? are you serious ??? I worked for Mc culloch power tools for about 4 years as a servicing / repair guy to all there products inc chainsaws / brush cutters / petrol blowers and cut off saws - this also included the german chainsaw brands Sach Dohlmar.

THE RATIO FOR ALMOST ALL HIGH REVING 2 STROKE IS 20 :1 or 25:1

we used to get at least 5 saws in a week that were only 2 months old that had completly seized - and they were running 50 :1 ratio - even though the OWNERS manual stated 20:1 - the main culprit was an oil called Optimal which claimed 60:1 ratio was safe to use.

BEST way to test oil / fuel (if unsure of how to make correct ratio ) PUT fuel and oil into a clear container with lid ---- shake well --- no oil in fuel mix with have all the bubbles on the top disapear almost instantly - oil with about 20:1 mix will have bubbles disapear in about 5 - 7 seconds and so on

IF you use a 50:1 ratio and your saw has not been correctly tuned ( high and low ) on the carbi then it will scream its head off and end results will be premature wear OR seized saw - Some of the begining signs are that the saw will be very hard to start when hot , but starts easily when cold and poor idoling.

Hope this has been of some informative help for you

Boc
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 13:43

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 13:43
Interesting how these threads end up with such a diverse collection of information... From the site I listed: 50:1 with ECHO oil, otherwise 32:1

My own manual and the fuel cap for my McCulloch saw states 40:1, as does the manual for my McCulloch brush cutter which I have applied for the last 8 or 9 years without any issues so far. Still running the original plug in both and in fact, neither the saw or brush cutter have had a single professional service. I use old fuel, clean the air filter when I think of it and have worked these babies harder than I'm sure Mr McCulloch ever intended (I have a 20acre bush block to attempt to maintain)...

Not knocking you Boc, just sharing my experience... I agree 60:1 is far too lean and will undoubtedly result in piston failure but I can't imagine running 25:1 in my saw, I'm sure I would spend the better half of my day un-fouling plugs. This is just MY opinion as a happy consumer, I'm sure there will be plenty more to read on this topic before the day is out...
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 20:28

Saturday, Dec 09, 2006 at 20:28
I should of added - that the ratio of 20:1 is for saws that are used to full revs at all times - when used at full revs the oil will be burnt completly

if your on and off the throttle or using half - then the oil does tend to build up as its unburnt - in these instances its better for the higher ratios.

used to get some brush cutters in where people would only use it slightly past idol speed ( just enough for the clutch to engage ) they used to have fouled spark plugs and exhausts full of carbon and unburnt oil. Maybe things have changed ---- i have moved onto to fixing Cranes now.

Boc
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 00:30

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 00:30
G/day Boc, yeah mate serious enough, I run a lil old husky 35 at 60:1 an she loves it. Many moons ago was riding Enduros on a Yammy IT 400, had it set up for a 50:1 mix running on Belray oil which was the ducks gutz 2 stroke oil at the time, I`ve known blokes to run even leaner without any ill effects. Cheers RG
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 01:00

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 01:00
Boc, I just reread your theory, "Best way to test oil" mate!!! you`re not serious are you??? your methodology is a bit dodgy to say the least. The correct way to obtain the right ratio isn’t rocket science... IE; 50:1... 50 parts petrol... 1 part of oil... you get it right every time. Eng & oil technology have come along in leaps & bounds in the last decade or so, 50 & 60:1 is not as unrealistic as you may think
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 08:14

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 08:14
RON George - the meathod i mention is for people that are unsure of an oil/ fuel mix - I.e someone else has mixed it up and you need to know if this is suitable for your machine or not - I know its easy to work out ratio's - but you would be suprised how many people would ring in each week asking how much oil to mix into 5 litres of petrol ---

Boc
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 17:21

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 17:21
. G/day BOC, yeah mate point taken, was thinking after my last post about the so called "idiot" factor which manufactures take into account when they make recommendations, re fuel mix ratio & such, so if they say a mix of 40 or 50:1 is ok then you could bet ya leftie that 60:1 is well within the safety margins. Personally I wouldn’t recommend anyone go higher than that... unless they’re well versed in 2 stroke tuning... as I said earlier an acquired science. Cheers RG.
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 00:59

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 00:59
Karl,
I use this Echo chainsaw
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Bought from the site shown.

My service manager recomended I use Castrol "AIR COOLED ENGINE OIL" @ the lower number, yes a richer mix but does not give heaps of smoke and idles good with plenty of power and engine protection.
A good quality oil is imperative if used hard and often.

Keep the chain sharp and well oiled and you will have no problems, you have a good product and with easy maintenance.

I use the saw for tree felling and fire-wood cutting so it gets a good workout, is still in as new condition.
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Reply By: pt_nomad - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:08

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:08
Hi Karl,
My stihl manual says 'We recommend STIHL 50:1 two stroke engine oil since it is speciall formulated for use in STHIL engines. The mix ratio with STIHL oil is 50:1, or 25:1 with other branded two-stroke air-cooled engine oils.'
I have mixed to this ratio for the last 9 years no probs - using STHIL oil.

How old is the saw, make sure it has an inertia brake. Old saws can be a dangerous thing.
Paul.
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Reply By: Inspector - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:37

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:37
All of our chainsaws, brush cutters etc as well as small petrol pumps we run at 100:1 using Optimol oils, have had no problems over the last 15 or so years. Some of this gear is used on a daily basis.
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 10:14

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 10:14
Thanks to all for your advice. I have given it a good clean, refueled it using a 50:1 ratio using Hasquvana Oil (as reccommended by my local dealer), added the chain oil etc - now I just have to get the ****** to start!!!

Karl
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Reply By: Tony - Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 14:15

Sunday, Dec 10, 2006 at 14:15
Pull out and check plug. Add a couple of drops of fuel, replace plug and start.
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