Air Tank - Compressor
Submitted: Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 16:48
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I have read articles outlining the use of an air
tank, filled up by the 12 volt compressor. What size
tank would be fill up 4 tyres on the Navara from 20 - 32?
Reply By: Russel & Mary - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 16:59
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 16:59
I have a 22 litre
tank from one of those el-cheapo $99 throw away bunnings type compressors. I have fitted it under the left rear
seat in the navara against the chassis rail with the blue tongue behind the
seat on a BIG dob of silicon. It does take about 10 minutes to get to about 100 psi and will take 5 to 8 minutes to pump 4 big tyres from 14 to 28 psi. with the blue tongue running. Rus.
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Follow Up By: Russel & Mary - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:14
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:14
Alternatively you can make your own
tank from pvc. A piece of 150mm stormwater pipe 500mm long will give you nearly 9 litres capacity. Use the green glue to put the end caps on, or use the screw-on ends which are a bit thicker for tapping air line threads into. This could then fit behind the rear
seat. Rus.
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Follow Up By: vcbb - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:29
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:29
What sort of fittings did you put on the pipe
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Follow Up By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:12
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:12
What sort of pressure would a PVC air
tank hold?
Do you know anyone that has successfully done it?
Would you recommend it?
Could the air line fittings be tightened enough without stripping out of the plastic?
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:29
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:29
I would strongly suggest you don't use Stormwater PVC it is unrated for pressure-pressure pipe on the other hand is rated class 9 rated to 130 PSI and class 18 to 260 PSI i would not use pvc anyway - too bigger risk - and DEFFINATLY do not mount it in the cab Lots of small pressure vessels available
Regards Kev
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:44
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:44
Aye Rus, I`m just wondering if you realise the explosive force that could be generated from that size container at say 60 to 70 PSI or higher... The risks are to great to even comptemplate going down that road. Cheers RG.
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Follow Up By: Junior - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:56
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:56
yep, a busted piece of pvc through the back of
the neck doesn't sound like a whole lotta fun to me!
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Reply By: Craigww2 - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:00
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:00
I am looking at a 9 litre
tank and using a A R B air pressure switch which means I run the
tank at 100 PSI and the compressor cuts back in at 75PSI so I think that kind of capacity should do the tyres ok.
I hope people answer you and agree with me or shoot holes in my theory before I put the
tank in.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:16
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:16
Would obviously depend on what size the tyres are on the Navara & to what pressure the 12 volt compressor cuts out at but as a rough example my 9 litre
tank pumped up to 100 psi will raise a 285/75/16 from around 25 to 35 psi.
At a guess I'd say a set of standard Navara tyres would need around a 50 to 60 litre
tank to do what you want. Personally I'd save the space & spend the time & money buying a 3 cfm+ compressor instead.
Cheers Craig...........
3 cfm Big Thumper / 9L
tank.
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Follow Up By: vcbb - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:30
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 17:30
Thanks for that, your the first person who has actually provided advice as to how many litres one would need to pump the tyres.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:09
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:09
I think this was covered in a previous post I can not find.
From memory, I think I worked out that a 235/85/16 (32" OD) is about 80 litres at one atmosphere (normal air pressure, or the valve out and tyre laid on the ground), so to increase pressure to 2 atmospheres (about 28 psi with the valve in!), would take about another 80 litres, or to 3 atmospheres (40 psi), another 160 litres.
A 20 litre
tank at 100 psi (7 atmospheres) would hold about 140 litres.
(Yeah I know, you would only get 6 atmospheres out).
Plus there is the air the pump is putting out air as
well while you are filling.
1 cfm is about 35 litres/min.
Rough figures, but gives you the idea.
So four tyres, if they are 235/85/16, from 20 to 32 psi (12 psi = .85 atmos), would be 4x0.85x80 = 272 litres. So about 2.25 of 20 litre tanks.
Either way you do it , you will have to sit and wait for the pump to catch up.
The
tank will only save you the effort on the first two tyres.
Now if you went from 20 to 26 psi, the
tank alone might cope with all four.
So remember to rework to suit your tyre size.
Some one going to check me on the maths? Think I got it right.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rotord - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:41
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 18:41
So Jack Absollom's technique of putting 100psi [or was it 120psi] in his spare tyre and using a jumper hose would still suit some applications ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 21:12
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 21:12
I am thinking of doing the same thing.
The 10 ply tyres I have has 80 psi max.
Maybe run the spare at 70 psi for trips off road.
Make up a hose that connects the air pump to the spare, and 't' off to a conection to the tyre to be pumped up.
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 23:28
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 23:28
Yes, what Jack Absollom did was OK, but remember, he was of the opinion that you should only need to lower the rear tyres. And I think his method was to let out one third.....40 down to 28, 35 down to 22 or something like that. Sheesh it's a long time since I watched that show.
Anyhoo, pumping up the rear tyre to 120 psi might get two tyres back to a reasonable amount so you can drive to a service station, but that was in the days when no-one had a 12v compressor.
And what about those people who have had the unfortunate experience of the spare tyre exploding??? It was discussed here a few weeks ago.
What's wrong with buying a good compressor and having a cold one while you wait, or a cheap compressor and four cold ones while you wait hahahahaha.
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Reply By: Sarg - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 21:49
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 21:49
Just buy yourself a decent compressor , and have a beer while you pump up your tyres. If you have bought a decent compressor, you will not have to worry about being over the limit by the time that you are finished.
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Reply By: srowlandson - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:07
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:07
I had my spare tyre at 60psi and made a air transfer hose:
Site Link
For a
tank, I use a 9litre Fire Extinguisher... I purchased a few air fittings to replace the tyre valve and the hose to a Jamec Quick connect. This and My ARB compressor (now Max Air) meant I could air up in seconds...
Tank did 2 tyres and the spare topped up the other 2...
Steve
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Follow Up By: Ron George - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:30
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:30
Old out of date LP gas bottles... all shapes & sizes, If you want to go that way, but as someone has already suggested why bother... Just get yourself a good compressor Cheers RG.
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:53
Monday, Dec 11, 2006 at 22:53
The other ready made
tank on most vehicles is the bullbar.
Short lengths of hose to link the various sections of tube, will provide a reasonable
tank. Not sure of exact capacity, it would vary from bar to bar. I know of people who have dome this and claim it to be very successful
I have also heard though, that it is not a good Idea to have a pressure vessel in a position where it could suffer impact damage.
Duncs.
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Reply By: vcbb - Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:51
Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:51
Thank you everyone for your comments, in the end, I think I might continue to use the compressor, which pumps all tyres up within about 12 minutes.
I was trying to be lazy , thinking it wouldnt take very long with a
tank.
What I might do though, for the caravan site, is at Super Cheap Auto they are selling 240v air compressors with tak for around 139 with lots of air
tools and fittings.
Thanks again for the comments, much appreciated
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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 14:01
Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 14:01
another alternative that no one seems to have mentined here is dropping by a truck wrecker. Most turcks have air operated brakes, so yo should be able to pick and choose from an array of sizes/shapes etc to suit your needs, all of which are purpose built for compressed air and should have suitable fittings... Thats what i intend to do once I get around to it.. if for no other reason than to speed up the air up process. I have an ARB compressor fitted under th ebonnet,, as I approach where I will need to air up, I flick the compressor on and start to fill the tanke, then by the time I stop I should e able to save at least half the time to air up. Buying and fitting a
tank shouldn't cost me more than I guess about $50 or so..
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Reply By: vcbb - Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 14:58
Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 14:58
Keep us posted on how you go, I have read about that approach, but from the reads here, you still need a number of litres to pump up 4 tyres from 20 psi to 40,
as opposed to when you do it with the compressor
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