Solara AG Solar Panel Warranty Woes

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 06:05
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The following chronicles my futile attempts to get Solara AG, a manufacturer of Solar Panels in Germany, to live up to their warranty obligations. My panels failed and it appears that Solara AG has decided to ignore me as well as the dealer and the distributor. While this problem relates to marine panels, Solara AG is also a large provider of land based panels.

In 2003 I moved my sailboat to from the Caribbean to Ft. Lauderdale, FL in order to do some extensive equipment upgrades. One of the projects was the installation of two solar panels. After a lot of research I decided upon Solara AG's SM225M solar panels as they provided the highest output available per their footprint and their flexibility allowed them to be mounted on my hard dodger. The following link provides a good view of the panels as well as information on the panels: Site Link. I ordered two panels at almost $1000/ea from SE Marine in Oregon. After completing many projects we moved the boat back to the Caribbean. The panels functioned fine during the next cruising season, but upon return to the boat in 2004 they were no longer functioning. One provided no output and the other would only provide output first thing in the morning when the panel was cool.

The panels carry a 20 year warranty, so I felt secure that my problem would be quickly resolved. I contacted SE Marine and they put me in contact with Peter Burcat, who is a founder and executive VP of Solara Energy, Inc. Solara Energy is the primary US distributor of Solara AG solar panels. Solara AG is based in Germany. It was clear that there was no way to get replacement panels down to the Caribbean, so I decided to wait until we passed through the US again. In July of 2006 we once again brought the boat back to the US and I began writing to Peter Burcat even before we arrived. Peter tried to direct me back to SE Marine, but that didn't go very far as they said they had purchased the panels through Peter's company and they couldn't do anything to help me.

After some more finger pointing, Peter had me contact Frank Heise (heise@solara.de) at Solara AG in Germany. Initally Frank and I had very good communication. Frank, who is the export manager, was asking me questions about the installation and the problem that I was having. We exchanged multiple e-mails and I provided photographs of the installation. On July 24th, 2006 I received my last e-mail from Frank. All of my many e-mails to him since then have gone unanswered. I've also called and left voice mail for Frank, but I haven't had any calls returned.

I asked Peter for a list of contacts at Solara, AG and all that he provided was a copy of contacts from Solara AG's web site. This list seemed rather thin as Solara Energy was the exclusive distributor for Solara AG panels. Peter has forwarded copies of my e-mails on to Frank Heise, but apparently has heard nothing from him. If that's true, then clearly something has gone very wrong in the business relationship between the primary distributor and the manufacturer.

I eventually found the e-mail address of Solara AG's CEO, Thomas Rudolfe (rudolfe@solara.de) and e-mailed him. I didn't hear anything back. I also tried info@solara.de, which is listed as their information contact e-mail address on their web site and received no response. SE Marine has sent several e-mails and received no response.

This has been going on for 5 months and I've gotten absolutely nowhere. Further, I don't see any resolution forthcoming. The bottom line is that if you're looking for solar panels, I would stay clear of Solara AG panels. Their products may have excellent specs, but they don't stand behind them. The US distributor has done little to help me resolve this problem and the German company seems to feel that they don't need to resolve foreign warranty claims.

-- Geoff Schultz
www.GeoffSchultz.org
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Reply By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:25

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:25
your contract is or was with " SE Marine in Oregon"
Sue them!
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Follow Up By: geoffschultz - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:32

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:32
SE Marine isn't obligated to provide warranty repairs on products that they didn't manufacture. That's US law. SE Marine has done all that they can do to help me. The problem is that I'm in the US and Solara AG is in Germany. It would cost me more than the panels cost to sue them.

What everyone should do who reads this is to NOT BUY Solara's panels. That will teach them a lesson. I find lots of dealers handling Solara's panels in OZ.

-- Geoff
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Reply By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 08:15

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 08:15
guess your stuck then...come live in oz...our laws dont suck like yours

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Reply By: joc45 - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:25

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:25
Hi Geoff,
Interesting problem. If the US laws don't cover warranty on goods made outside the US, how do you go in the US with warranty on imported cars, then? Or do they have a bit better reputation?
In Australia, we unfortunately don't have your "lemon" laws, and warranty problems on cars can really drag out.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: geoffschultz - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 13:38

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 13:38
This is an interesting conundrum and what makes it more interesting is that both Peter Burcat from Solara Energy, Inc (the US distributor) and Larry from SE Marine are lawyers. Larry has provided a lot of good information to me.

The bottom line is that the manufacturer of a product provides the warranty. It is not the responsibility of the person who sold you the product to provide that. For example, if you buy an SSB from a shop in Australia which is made in Japan and the SSB fails within the warranty period, who is responsible for the repair? There's an excellent chance that the shop that you bought it from doesn't have the expertise to repair it. Are they obligated to replace it if the manufacturer won't repair it? I clearly don't know Australian consumer law, but I doubt it. How does this get handled in Australia?

-- Geoff
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 16:25

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 16:25
Geoff,
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it, if the product is made overseas and sold in Australia, the Aust agent by law provides one of several possible lines of warranty service;
- Service it at their own service facility
- Service it at a dealer's or subcontractor's place
- Replace it and not fix it (happens a lot with Chinese imported stuff)
- Send it back to the overseas factory for repair.
The last option is not really acceptable for consumer goods, as the owner will be without the product for an extended period.
But at the end of the day, the national distributor is responsible for making good repair or replacement. The buyer of the faulty goods has a contract with the seller, not the distributor, so all warranty dealings will be done via the seller unless the distributor has a warranty process in place to handle direct returns to them or to an authorised repair centre.
Under federal law we have protection in effect that the goods must be suitable for the purpose for which they are designed, and if they fall short of that, then the buyer is entitled to remedial action. Statuary warranties exist which can override the warranty quoted by the manufacturer; ie, most products can be expected to be fault-free for at least 12 months, sometimes more, even if that warranty is not offered by the manufacturer. Each state Consumer Affairs department usually has laws which are along similar lines, but also provide pressure (legal or otherwise) on the seller/distributor to come up with a suitable result for the buyer.
In your quoted case of an SSB, most distributors of these in Aust have either their own repair facilities, or an authorised repair facility in most states.
With products directly imported from overseas by the buyer, they are on their own with respect to warranty and repairs.
In your case, it seems to me unconsionable that the dealer cannot or does not want to force the manufacturer to honour the warranty.
Gerry
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Reply By: SunWizard - Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 07:33

Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 07:33
the Solera specifications are fanciful 'provided the highest output available per their footprint'. Some Solera panels are deficient in number of cells and the specifications could never be reached. Solera are a back yard manufacturer kludging together bits of crystalline to make cells sourced from others. The cells they are using are well under in output performance compared to what is available . Solera do not make it to the ranking world wide of solar panel manufacturers.
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