Map Coordinate Systems
Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 08:31
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phillip owen
Looking at a
camping trip where we will need to walk into the
camp site and out again.
I have the necessary topographic maps for the area and am fairly competent in navigating with these maps. Also taking a GPS unit that only gives latitude and longitude coordinates (just in case). The map gives the latitude and longitude at each corner of the map.
My question is, is there a way of converting the topographic map coordinate system into usable GPS coordinates and vice versa?
Reply By: Member - Stephen L (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:02
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:02
Hi Phillip,
It is a very straight forward answer. The paper maps that you have, have both lat/long coordinates and
grid reference details. There is no way that you can change what is already printed, so you change the set up in your GPS to the system that you work with.
If you are handy with the GPS, you should be able to plot your course, the the point where you would like to
camp, transfer these details to the GPS, and then let the GPS do all the work, using the "Go To" feature. This will then keep you and your party on track and guide you to the exact spot to where you would like to
camp.
Cheers and happy hiking
Stephen
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Reply By: Member - Toolman (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:40
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:40
Phillip,
Somewhere on the map border, sometimes on the bottom below the scale bar but at least on the bottom border of the map you should find reference to the Horizontal Datum. Often in Australia if the map is a few years old it might be Australian Geodetic Datum 1966. It could also be WGS84 or GDA94. Whatever the datum, that's the figure you should find in the set up menu of your GPS (It could be under Units in the menu if the GPS is a Garmin) and select. That way your GPS and your map are in sync. Make sure you put the correct datum in.
Also, most times the "projection" is Tranverse Mercator or UTM. Make sure you select the correct projection information listed in the same area of your map and select that in the set up menu of your GPS if you want Eastings and Northings displayed as opposed to Lat & Long.
Good luck
Toolman
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Reply By: Robin - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:14
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:14
I'm happy with Stephen & Toolmans replies above Phillip but I've had same issues in odd circumstances and some software like Ozi-explorer doesn't work or calculate correctly under some unusal circumstances and I need use the following approach.
There is a large formula that can do what you wish , but for small distances you can take shortcut below.
Assume a degree of latitude and a degree of longitude represent a constant distance at any point. So you can say that 1 degree north equals 666m and 1 degree west equals 999m etc . YUo must find these constants at your location.
(Note - the actual figures I use above are not correct and just for illustration as my memory ain't that good)
Assuming your reference doesn't have it . get the UTM reference which is in meters from another GPS or whatever and write it on each map corner, along with Lat/long.
Subtract Lat/long from a line between two corners , and also the UTM .
Divide one by the other and you come up with the ratio of degrees to meters for both lat and long.
Using this rule of thumb you can relate one to the other directly.
You can also quickly calculate distance at any angle by squaring out the sides as per phythagorus (did I get that name spelling even close?)
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:47
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:47
Most topos i have come across will also have the scaling identified on each margin eg:
1" of latitude =31 metres
1" of longitude = 30 metres
Note these are for 1:25 000 topos, with the latitude always a constant value and the longitude value changing depending on how far south of the equator (Qld longitude values range from 27m at the NSW border up to around 30m in
Cairns)
andrew
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:23
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:23
Can i ask what GPS unit you are using that ONLY gives Lat/longs?
The main
grid you see on your map will more than likely be shown as UTM (or UTM/UPS) on your GPS under the projection settings. As has been mentioned previously, also make sure the datum of the map is the same as the display setting on your GPS.
If you are unable to estimate the location between the lat/long
grid, use a lat/long ruler printed from sites such as
http://www.maptools.com/pdf/LLTools/LLRules.pdf, or
http://www.caves.org/survey/gss/latruler.pdf ...good instructions for these free
tools are available here ==> www.maptools.com/FreeTools/
One thing to remember is that it is much more simplistic/traditional to use the map to navigate, and use the GPS as a waypoint location device (don't forget to store the waypoint of your vehicle, the
campsite before walking). a GPS receiver by itself (no map) without any waypoints is more or less useless.
Andrew
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