Misfuelled my Turbo Diesel Engine
Submitted: Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 21:48
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Chenj3 @ Brissy
Hi all,
I added 3 quarters of ULP to my Toyota 1kz Turbo engine on my imported Hiace on Christmas day and ran for 12 Klms before I noticed the high temperature wanring light, loss of of power and vibration.
After draining the
tank and flushing the fuel system I was able to drive my Hiace back home ( 400 Kms in distance) again without any problem. it has the same performance as it did before it happened. However the mechanic told me that some problem may be developing in the next couple of days. Can someone please give me some advices on whatr kind of problems I can expect? and how to avoid them if possible.
Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:08
Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:08
Had a friend who did the same to his LandCruiser (but only for a few kilometers) and he said it has never run better! Must have cleaned his injectors :-)) Hope thats all thats happened with yours. Surely after 400kms you can give your 1Kz a clean bill of health.
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Reply By: Twinkles - Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:12
Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:12
I filled my Hilux
tank from almost empty. Got about 2 kms and it stopped with a motor warning light up. Someone put the wrong hose in the slot. Must have been in La La land not to notice the different colour, smell and lack of froth. RACV picked up car. Mechanic drained and refilled. What a waste of money and they really stang me for their time. That was abot 30,000 kms ago. No problems. Car done 210,000 kms now and running great. The difference is that maybe you ran a diluted lot through whereas
mine just stopped.
Good luck. Hopefully there's no damage. If it ran fine after I would expect the same result as
mine.
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:16
Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:16
Chenj3
In a word none. The petrol has less lubrication for the injection system and it would have heated up your exhaust valves but if it now runs ok you have not done any damage. What you did is a common practice for shonky car yards to decoke an old motor, usually they drive a hole
tank full not just 12 k. Enjoy your new year. Eric.
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Follow Up By: ross - Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:29
Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:29
I agree, if there is too much petrol in ther they just stop running until the fuel is changed.
In ome countries they add a little petrol to stop diesel gelling in 30- below.
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Reply By: Flash - Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:32
Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 22:32
Yes,
Probably no damage.
A friend did it on his Patrol some time ago and no ill effects resulted.
But don't try that with a new "common rail" type diesel or you'll do thousands of dollars damage.
RACQ did a report on it in the latest "Road Ahead" magazine.
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Reply By: Member - Jason S (SA) - Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 23:24
Friday, Dec 29, 2006 at 23:24
Ditto to all the rest.
You got a tough donk there. Good injection system.
I would personally avoid that mechanic. Sounds like he may be trying to butter you up.
If there was an issue to be had you would have lost your exhaust values through the turbo on that 400 k's back home.
Jason
!MPG:6!What happens when you are too busy looking at the scenery
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Reply By: lindsay - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 08:38
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 08:38
I think it will depend on the compression ratio. I had it done to me in alice in 1987 had a series 3 landrover with a perkins retro fit diesel. The bloke put 4.5 litres of petrol in a 75 litre
tank. Stupid me said it would be ok as i was going home via the bitumen and could be kind on the peddle . I had a trailer with fuel in it and a fuel hose between trailer and landy, where i could transfer fuel through on the run.
I did this and took it easy out of alice for half a day, it knocked a little bit, but got better.
Later on in the trip oil pressure went up, loss of power and a lot of blue smoke.
We towed it home ,yes about 2 thousand K's. All the pistons had cracks in them , some you could put a hacksaw blade down. Cost a lot of money.
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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 10:36
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 10:36
lindsay,
That's very unfortunate for sure. I'm puzzled though that only 4.5 litres made such a difference in 75 litres of diesel.
As others have stated, ULP is added to diesel to stop gelling in low temperatures - and I know they do this at blends of up to 20% ULP. I'm currently running a blend of 15% ULP 15%BioD and 70% vege oil in my 12HT hence my interest in this subject.
I'd be wondering if more ULP went in than you realised and the attendant only fessed up to 4.5l.
Not that it matters now, damage has been done to the motor and your wallet. :-(
Tim
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 08:50
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 08:50
Did it twice to the old 1HZ powered troopy, about 12 -15 l in a 90 l
tank, just ran it till it coughed and then swapped to the other
tank, topped the
tank with the petrol up regularly until there would have been no trace of petrol, no harm done, just would have cleaned the injectors!
I will be probably be ok.
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Reply By: Member - Michael G (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 13:08
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 13:08
I put about 25 ltrs of ulp in my series 2 Disco.Toped up the rest of the
tank with deisel about 50ltrs .Drove home no problems. Kept topping up regularly to dilute the petrol.Different mechanics have said have conflicting verdicts on what problems might happen.
Mike
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 13:18
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 13:18
On a similar note....the ONLY thing ive ever seen stop a 202 holden was a
tank full of diesel.....it ran till the guy got to work...but after he turned it off, it never ran again.....the exhaust manifold was glowing red (after the smoke discipated that was coming out the exhaust pipe)
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 15:29
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 15:29
I put 20 litres of diesel in my wife's empty Volvo 740 turbo, then realised the error and topped up with ULP, 50 litres, and drove home from the mountains to Newport. Ran ok but with a bit of blue smoke but would not start next morning. Drained the
tank and filled with ULP and ran for another 100000 kms. Used the mixed fuel over the next couple of tanks,very diluted. "Bloody Volvo Driver" !!
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 17:11
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 17:11
I read recently that ULP is a real no no in the new common rail diesels. RACQ recommends that you don't even start it if you realise the error while at the service station. If you have to move it, push or tow they say.
May be being a bit over cautious, but the report I read (in recent Open Road mag), was very specific on common rail motors. I've got one, so I hope I never make the error.
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Follow Up By: brad1972 - Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 21:17
Saturday, Dec 30, 2006 at 21:17
Did a course a while back on the then new Mitsubishi Truck engines with various common rail set ups and the prices to replace components(not a lot of it can be repaired) was staggering ,if the smaller engines have parts prices even comparable to them I would tend to listen to the RACQ.
Brad
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Reply By: Chenj3 @ Brissy - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:16
Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:16
Thanks to all replied. now I feel much reliefed.
I drove my Hiace van up to
Lamington National Park (1200 meter altitude) yesterday and it did it effortlessly as it did before, without losing any power or any vibration.
Thanks again to all.
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