Decanting gas from 9kg to smaller bottle... is it possible?
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:01
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possible? dangerous? illegal? need special gadgets?
that just about covers my question :)
Why am I asking... to save you the trouble of asking me! We've got two 9kg bottles on the camper but I'd like to run a BBQ from a smaller bottle (easier to stow, move to where barby might be setup, etc) and being able to fill the little bottle from the big ones might be handy.
Cheers, Nige
Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:38
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:38
Yep easy, make up a free flowing hose that fits both ends, fit and tighten hose firmly to both bottles, tip 9kg upside down, turn on valve, turn on valve on smaller bottle, undo bleeder screw with a spanner or screwdriver, when full liquid gas will come out of bleeder, turn off bleeder with spanner or screwdriver, dont burn yourself on freezing gas, turn off 9kg bottle, and turn off smaller bottle, turn back up normal way and undo hose to release gas in hose, again be careful not to burn yourself,
check valves and bleeder again after a couple of minutes in case they have tightened against frozen gas.
DO OUTSIDE IN
WELL VENTED AREA AWAY FROM ANYTHING ELEC AND OR FLAME, INCLUDING PILOT LIGHTS ON CARAVANS ETC.
SOME KIND OF BREEZE BLOWING IS BEST.
Did it for years from 45 kg bottles, but hardly use any gas now, elec light and petrol stove, have one gas bottle for coleman tent heater, but dont use it that much.
Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:56
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:56
Exactly like pesty says but I think you will find its illegal though.
Just dont tell anyone.....SHHHHH
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason S (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 00:06
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 00:06
Remember folks.
It is only illegal when caught in the act.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 08:29
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 08:29
whos gunna care if your dead...its also very dangerous
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Follow Up By: DIO - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:32
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:32
Jason - S you must be a very proud father knowing that your kids will grow up to follow your philosophy in life - IT IS ONLY ILLEGAL WHEN CAUGHT IN THE ACT. (I suppose you're one of those who cry 'unfair' when pinched for speeding (etc)
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:38
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:38
whoa the morality police are out......
Don't know how someone can accuse others of something when they don't know a thing about that person other than a few words that have been typed in a sentence - which may of been tongue in cheek also.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 21:26
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 21:26
Leroy all tongue in cheek comments are noted appropriately "TIC"
These are obviously "FD" - fair dinkum
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 23:34
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 23:34
Yeah It's illegal but..................there are plenty who still do it.
Don't agree with using gas hose direct from the bottle, it's not designed to be used without a regulator.
If you are going to refill your own small bottles make up a connector using all copper pipe and brass fittings, NOT HOSE.
An old 45lb bottle nut & tail makes a good start, just braze/silver solder the necessary fittings to suit your small bottle onto the other end.
Disco
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:00
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:00
>Don't agree with using gas hose direct from the bottle,
>it's not designed to be used without a regulator.
How about the cheap high pressure cookers which connect, via hose, directly to the gas bottle - no regulator?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:26
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:26
What a load of dribble, the same hose is used wether it has a regulator on it or not, when you buy gas fittings the hose can be bought seperatly to be used on any gas appliance. The hose that comes for the coleman HWS/heater is one that comes to mind, doest have a regulator.
Would be a lot safer for the average person to buy a proper hose than rely on them getting a silver solder joint welded properly, besides most people dont have an oxy set.
I do have an oxy set and can weld this joint and I wouldnt use it.
Cheers Pesty
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Reply By: res.q.guy - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:41
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:41
Hi Nige
I fill all my 9kg, 4kg and smaller bottles from a 45kg bottle.
I just use an lpg hose with the adaptors to suit.
The bottle you are filling from will have to be turned upside down.
Do it in an open area, with no ignition sources such as hot water pilot lights etc.
Not sure about the legalities of it though !!!!!!!
Regards
Neil
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Reply By: Hairy - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:10
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:10
Gday,
Like Leroy I couldn't count how many bottles I've filled tested and re stamped
(old man owned a camping
shop) and I personally never had a licence. I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the filling licence actually goes with the business not the person doing the filling,
More to do with the proper storage and public liability of having a bloody huge cylinder. Rather than speculate why not try and contact whoever governs this in your state . You might find it takes bugger all to be able to do it LEGALLY.
Also you wont have to put with criticism from the morality police who obviously have nothing better to do than throw insults.
(One moral thing my Gran taught me was if you cant say something nice[or constructive] dont say anything at all [keep your mouth shut].
Ill find out what the NT rules and regs are and post them.
Pestys filling method sounds spot on to me but why not ask the bloke filling your bottle at the servo next time to run you through it.
Cheers
Hairy
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:13
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:13
I'm not going to concern myself with the moral or legal issues but what does concern me is that it is damned hard to find a place that will fill gas bottles for you, everywhere wants to exchange your 9Kg for an 8.5 kg... let alone trying to get a small propane torch bottle filled... Get yourself a proper hose, you can buy the fittings at a few
places or screwcut them yourself. The larger one is 1/2" BSP LH and the smaller one is 1/4" BSP LH and Companion use 3/8" BSP LH (you always wanted to know that didn't you?)....Maybe I can make my fortune making "Illegal Gas Decanting Kits"
"If you can't do the job yourself it's not worth doing" he says preparing to duck the incomming bombardment from the Thought Police....
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Reply By: luch - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 19:05
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 19:05
Nige,
I have a Ticket to Decant Gas Bottles Yes it is VERY ILLEGAL and can be dangerous.
Bleeding Screws can freeze open and can eaisly break !
Static Elcectricity can result in big trouble !
Serious burns LPG boils at - 42 deg c
You need to know how to empty the gas to Atmosphere if you break the bleeder
Run you hand down the side of both Gas bottles to equilise static electricity.
If you break the bleeding screw or a valve freeze open you need to take the bottle to an open area and hose it down with WATER untill the bottle is empty.
REMEMBER: LPG IS HEAVIER THAN AIR SO IN CAN TRAVEL ALONG THE GROUND AND CAN BE IGNITED BY A SOURCE SUCH AS PILOT LIGHT ELECTRICAL SOURCE ECT.
My opinion is that you dont do it unless you are shown by a Compitent person who holds a ticket, it can be extreemly dangerous not only for your self but anyone near by
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 00:21
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 00:21
Hmmm.
"Very illegal" would be a bit like being a "little bit pregnant" would it not?
I've seen a bleed screw stick fail or otherwise, and the guy at the filling point (the now gone
BP servo at Rye) had not the first clue what to do about the 9kg of gas that he had no way of stopping from filling the forecourt of the servo.
Obviously he had done the training...
There are some good pics around of vehicles that have seen the wrath wrought by a gas cylinder letting go. I'll see what I can dig up.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 00:30
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 00:30
There are also some good stories of 4WDs hurting people but it doesnt mean we are all stupid??
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