OT Is there a plumber in the house? Need to pump grey water
Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:08
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Leroy
I know it's a how long is a piece of string type question but how many litres/min do you get out of a garden tap? I know it depends on your water presure but lets say you have 'good' presure.
The reason I would like to know is that I wan't to make a
grey water tank and I need to get a bilge pump so was thinking about a Rule Mate 500 automatic bilge pump to get the water onto the garden.
Thanks.........Leroy
Reply By: Hairy - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:23
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:23
Gday Leroy,
Just put a bucket under you tap, turn it on flat out for 30 seconds, measure it and times it by two.
Ask whoever sells you the pump because if your tank is going to be under ground you will also have head preasure and pipe diameter to deal with. There are quite a few things to take into account like how far do you want to pump the water, do you live on a
hill, are you going to run drippers misters etc etc.
I personally would explain it to the pump dealer so if it doesnt work you can take it back. Sorry mate not much help but there are a lot of variables to take into account to get it right.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:29
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:29
Gday Leroy
Be careful on how you pre filter your crey water - those curly hairs that go down the shower plug can reap havoc with bilge pumps. I looked at a site the other day that had a few options for
grey water systems, from unfiltered to fully treated. I considered one myself, but our
bore is really good so I saw Little advantage (although soapy water is good for control of lawn grubs, so the washing Machine has a bit of poly out to the lawn)...Hey, there is a thought, I'm sure a washing machine has a pump that can handle the odd bit of hair etc.
Good luck with the system - When I was considering one, I was looking into puting a decent concrete tank in with an overflow to the sewerage sustem and a float valve near the bottom hooked up to the water mains. I was then going to run my retic off a pump that would first use up the
grey water, but wouldn't run dru as the float valve would kick in when the tank was about 1/4 full (3/4 empty)
Everyone in a water restricted area should have one, along with a rainwater tank (IMO)
Cheers Andrew
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:52
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:52
I could of put in a couple of tanks easitly 12mths ago as I built a double garage and double carport off the side. I could of put 2 large tanks at the back of the carport as it's 6x6 and the garage is 6x9 and had the carports level with the front of the garage leaving a 6x3 space at the end of the carports but I didn't do that did I! All guttering slopes away in the wrong direction also but this water problem wasn't an issue really 6-8 mths ago. It is now becasue we had no snow or rain this past season.
I can still water the lawn and wash the car but I feel a little guilty watering the lawn but I paid a few $$$ for it 12mths prior so I'm determined to keep it alive. See I could of put under lawn soakers before I laid the turf at the time.....if only I had a crystal ball.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 12:07
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 12:07
A crystal ball would be a great thing! We are lucky up here - more water than you can poke a stick at, but the watercorp still charges us heaps for it, so the
bore is for everything bar drinking, cooking and brewing, which we have a small rainwater tank for. I still cant understand why city storm water runoff is sent to the sea, and the cities rely on country runoff into the rivers and dams....
Good luck with the system....gutters runing the wrong way can be solved with underground stormwater drain to the tank in some instances, but not all.
Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: dags666 - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 06:33
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 06:33
Leroy as a licensed plumber first
check with local council what you can and can not do.first of all if you are looking for a rebate you need to use a licensed or bsa card holder to get your rebates. Leroy when we set the old systems up with a holding tank we use a pump with an automatic float turns on when the tank is approx 3/4 full and run the hose onto the lawn with a pope sprinkler attached to a hose. why a pope, heavy water droplets and only sprinkles within say as 10 foot dia. i would not put it through a sprinkler or micro jet system because this water is untreated and the bacteria in it is more likely to become air born. personally i and many other colleagues believe the pollies are opening a Pandora's box here. if every one in the cities start spraying
grey water, health problems may occur,because i don't know my neigbours personal habits say washing nappies in the bath going to the
toilet in the shower or bath etc.... Dags
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:27
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:27
Not interested in a rebate - just trying to do my water saving bit. I'm not interested in saving the washing machine water from the wash cycle only the rinse. The
kitchen sink won't be connected. I was going to grab the shower water but you do highlight an interesting point about peeing in the shower etc.
Dam i'll have to hold on now!
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:41
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:41
When was the last time you heard of someone dying from (bacteria free) pee? :-)
Andrew
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Reply By: HowdyDoody - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:00
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:00
Hi Leroy, I may be way off the mark here but we were told that
grey water could not be stored in a tank as it turns septic after 24 hours - we were told this by a plumber quoting on setting just that up for us. We now have an extension attached to our washing machine pipe so that we can water the lawn as the machine empties. It means that we have to be
home when a load of washing goes through but thats fine. Put a load on in the morning, then drink the cuppa while watering the lawn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:34
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:34
HowdyDoody,
Be aware there is a difference between a balance (buffer) tank and a storage tank. A balance tank is generally used to blanced out the inflows and outflows in these systems. Installing a balance tank is hydraulically simpler than trying to match the pump to the inflow as the inflow will vary accordingly. A balance tank is intended to be emptied on every use and therefore doesn't store the greywater as such.
In any case some local authoritoes may allow some storage (however confirm with your local authority), but these are still intended to have short retention times and their overflows must be directed to sewer.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:20
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:20
Howdy, you are correct about the 24hr storage period. I don't want to store it but have like a holding tank where all
grey water goes into and then from there I can pump it out to the lawn/garden.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 13:41
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 13:41
Great idea - the holding tank that is. Let us know how you get on.
Slightly different direction here, I know technically
grey water should not go onto vegie gardens, but what about the water from the final rinse cycle (ie. with now clean clothes and very little detergent - we use the totally phosphate free stuff).
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 16:40
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 16:40
Technically it is still greywater ;-) The other issue is that you would have to install a completely seperate piping system otherwise the final rinse water would still be considered "contaminated" from the first cycles.
Remember that you can always irrigate subsurfacely or under mulch eg soaker hose under mulch, as long as the greywater doesn't come into direct contact with the veggies. There is also the argument that any vegetables that are cooked or have a thick skinned and peeled eg pumpkin etc, could be irrigated anyway.
BTW phosphates aren't necessarily bad for vegetables as many farmers apply organophosphates in any case, though reducing the phosphorous load is a good thing because the uptake of phosphorous is often less than the application rate. :-)
Andrew
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Reply By: phil - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 16:58
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 16:58
Hi,
Another thing worth looking at are systems that automatically sense whether tank water is available and use that, changing over to mains water otherwise.
An example is the "tankflush" from Tankworld
www.tankworld.com.au
They are intended for supplying
toilet, laundry etc but could have other applications.
Phil I
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