Exhaust jack... your ideas.
Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 13:29
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Member - Royce
Okay... done the search and haven't quite found the info I'm after.
I'm building a tilting tray for the back of the F350 tray. I want to use an exhaust jack to lift it. All okay so far.
My old exhaust jack requires that you reach into the side of the bag to disconnect the pipe and therefor deflate it. Not nice for the arm as the tray decends...
So... is there a product or adaptation that can be made to allow deflation from the side of the tray?
I'm sure there is. Let me know what you know please.
Cheers Royce
Reply By: pepper2 - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 15:08
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 15:08
On my exhaust jack the inlet hose is permantly attached and is approx 2 feet long meaning you disconnect about 2 feet away from the bag BUT wouldnt you be better off with a hydraulic ram i dont consider the air jack suitablefor your application
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 15:51
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 15:51
That's what I need. What brand? Where from?
I don't want to do any engineering/welding etc. I'm using a second tray that slides onto the existing one and then hinges at the rear. It will be over the gooseneck [5th wheel] ball in the centre of the tray which I don't want to remove.
So I will make sure that there is a suitable place for the bag and lift from there. A couple of chains so that it doesn't go too far and a couple of props to make sure it doesn't fall down when I least expect it. I'll also have a couple of emergency jacking points to get me out of trouble if needs be.
Then of course I'll have the exhaust jack to use elsewhere!
One of my many plans...
Thanks Royce
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 15:55
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 15:55
>I'm building a tilting tray for the back of the F350 tray.
>I want to use an exhaust jack to lift it.
To quote Sir Humphrey:
"I foresee all sorts of unforseen issues"
I really, really, really, don't like that idea.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:09
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:09
I appreciate the concern. I will hasten slowly, and abandon all plans if the unforseen is seen before the unforseen occurs, which of course is impossible because it's unforseen.... see?
But seriously, thanks for your worries.... I'll be very careful.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:21
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:21
I know you're nobody's mug Royce but exhaust jacks are a bit of a danger even when used for their intended application and reports of them bursting are common. However with a ton or two of sand (whatever) on the back of a truck and a sudden drop from 1.5m? I dread to think of the forces involved when it decelerates rapidly as it hits the truck chassis.
How will you assess the aging process of the bag? Their design is for very occasional use over a period of (what?) five? years but in a tipper application it will be used much more, I assume. Protection from the elements - cold, UV, heat. Nah, don't do it Royce.
How about an electric motor driven screw drive?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:34
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:34
You are certainly talking sense... I'm slowing down on the idea.
Mind you, I dropped a round bale on the old effie yesterday from the back of a semi.... she survived... but I was a bit worried.
So.. I will need to address the chance of failure and dropping.... hmmm Okay, I have a few ideas.
My current bag has been used many times over 18 years, and still works
well.
The bag for this purpose would not remain on the tray but be packed away when not in use.
Still, my resolve is shaken.... I'm easing up on my passion....
I'll sip an ale and walk around the truck and thinks some more....
Ta
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:39
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:39
>You are certainly talking sense
Got to be a first time for everything! :)
I'll give it some thought too... it's an interesting mechanical problem - especially for an electronics engineer! :)
Mike Harding
PS. I assume the electric / hydraulic motor option is too expensive?
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Reply By: pepper2 - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:01
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:01
Dont know brand name but it is blue in colour purchased from ARB in
wollongong btw i have a spare hose from a previous bag that burst will post to you for free if you can use it just let me know....its the long hose that goes from exhaust to the short hose which is part of the bag.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 17:20
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 17:20
Must be a few spare hoses pepper, I have one too. We could make up a long lead version.....
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Reply By: pepper2 - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:04
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:04
what about an electric boat trailer winch ???????
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:07
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 16:07
Where to mount and lift from... also, lifting a dead weight rather than rolling sliding weight.
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Reply By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 17:03
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 17:03
I remember watching a Jims Mowing guy at the tip who had a vertical post at the front of the tray with a pulley at the top and a hand boat type winch at the bottom. The cable went from the winch over the top of the post and down to the front of the tray. He was winching up a tray full of garden rubbish - say 500 kg - and it looked fairly easy. The post was hinged at the bottom which allowed it to pivot towards the tray to keep the angle of pull constant.
Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 17:22
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 17:22
Pete, sounds interesting to think about the pulleys and sky hooks required to succeed on that one.
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Reply By: Member - Vincent A M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 18:07
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 18:07
I have built many in my job (search old form) there are several fittings so you can do it all from inside your truck both cable & electrical. The cable version you can buy from rare spares & is simple fitted in line with your exhaust
Its looks like a choke in a carbie when closed back pressure sends exhaust up the t fitting to the bag (it still by passes the fitting as
well) & when time to let it down just push it back & down it will come slowly.
Remember that what ever fitting you use, do not allow more air in than the Over pressure valve will let out or you will blow the bag
msg me if you want more details
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 18:39
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 18:39
I would have thought there would be SERIOUS OH&S issues with the use of that sort of system. Any operator would not be covered by insurance, and any damage the unit did as a result of failure would also not be covered.
Don't reinvent the wheel. Do it the conventional way using standard issue hydraulics.
As an aside, I doubt whether any engineer would pass it for roadworthy (venting exhaust fumes not in appropriate position), or for use commercially transporting goods (simply demonstrably unsafe engineering with no secondary failsafe protection mechanism).
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Follow Up By: Member - Vincent A M (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 18:00
Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 18:00
Its quite std & many an engineer's sign of on them if they are done the right way, & many councils & electricity suppliers & hire company's use them.
I have made lift bags that are used at airports to lift jumbo jets & for
bridge &
mine collapses all on exhaust fumes. yes there are some that do shocking work & are unsafe & that happens in all trades i,m sorry to say
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