Moddifying questions from a new 4WD Owner
Submitted: Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 11:22
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Matty9111
Hi everyone one. Happy New Year!
I have a few questions to ask, I have recently bought a 94 Toyota 4Runner with a 3.0V6, and I wanted to lift it about 2 inches when I change my springs and shocks, I would like to know what brands are good? And also how do I raise the front end? It looks like it has IFS, so how do I go about raising that?
I'm replacing the clutch any suggestions on that?
Last thing, it has really bleep ty torque, anyone know how to bring it up a bit? A few more KW would be good too.
Sorry to ask a million things, but I thought i'd get it all out at once.
Thanks everyone
Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:02
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:02
Is there a specific reason you need to lift it? Spring lift will only affect theh front clearance and the clearance to chassis rail/body. You will still have the same clearance under the rear diff. Vehicle will be slightly more top-heavy (lurching in corners). Only reason for lifting a vehicle is to put bigger tyres under it, and even then, the tyres should be the first step.
I would suggest driving it a bit and get a feel of what NEEDS to be done to get it to do what you want it to. If it works just fine for you now, don't "fix" it.
IFS is usually addressed by replacing the torsion spring and cranking it a bit, giving a slightly higher "set point" on the range of
suspension travel. The range of travel IS UNCHANGED, leading to the loss of
suspension droop travel, and the gain of some
suspension compression travel.
Suggestions on clutches???? If it needs replacing, replace it.
Engine power/torque, contact a company that does rechipping for the ECU, you might bget a bit more (usually about 10% or so) but don't expect miracles.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:08
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:08
Im with Gary, find out the limitations of the car before you make ANY changes, you may find it is more capable than you think.
IFS.. Yuck.
Try Yahoogroups for the Surf owners group, all your answers are tehre.
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Follow Up By: Matty9111 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:16
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:16
Thanks Truckster :), I took it out to the
Otways National
park and found it bottomed out in spots and lacked torque up some of the hills.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:46
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:46
Marty, I think torque will always be a problem being a V6... The only answer to a lack of torque is more momentum, works for me in my V6 Triton. Most all of the V configuration 6 cylinder engines produce their torque too far up the rev range to be of real value in the bush, a diesel is the way to go for torque down low.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 13:11
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 13:11
>Marty, I think torque will always be a problem being a V6
I thought that was what low range was for?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 13:17
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 13:17
Low range isn't low enough for vehicles producing the bulk of their torque around the 3-4k revs mark, doubling your torque by selecting low range is pointless when you're not making any in the first place. Just my take on the issue from wheeling with a mate in a V6 Rodeo and another in a V6 Hilux.
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Reply By: Matty9111 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:13
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:13
Thanks for the reply :)
Well the reason I wanted to lift it a bit, was because I took it out to the
Otways National
Park near
Lorne, and it was bottoming it, mainly in the rear, the rear is sagging a bit though. The front IFS sounds like it could cause problems when raising it then. I will put bigger tyres on it, but not for a few years, I bought the car with close to new A/T Desert Duelers (265 x 31's).
As with the clutch mines worn pretty badly, needs replacement in 1-2months. I thought there might be a decent one someone might be able to recommend.
How much is CPU tuning?
Cheers again
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 17:53
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 17:53
Matty I lifted
mine to give the body a little more clearance and to stop scraping and bottoming on tracks,the
Otways is calssic for it, it wont chage the under diff clearance but gets the body a bit higher up out of harms way.
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Reply By: Exploder - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:35
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:35
With the IFS you can just wind up the factory torsion bars 2” or fit a set of aftermarket ones. To adjust them follow them from the Lower control arms back to where they lock into there adjuster assembly there will be a bolt on each one that you simply turn to increase the load on the bar and that will rase the front end remember buy doing this you are loosing downward wheel travel.
With the engine, I don’t know what sort of chip’s or tuners are a but that is one avenue to look at.
Apart from that some Extractors and exhaust and a Cold air intake system will make some improvements as
well, after that it start’s getting expensive.
The Diffs are only really the limiting factor when rock hopping, by lifting if you will increase clearance on all the other parts you will get hung up on.
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Follow Up By: Matty9111 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:46
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:46
Thanks Exploder
Is there anyway to fix my lack of movement with the IFS? Don't say fit a live axle please.
I think I might look at exhaust and extractors.
Thanks again :)
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:59
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 12:59
Fit a live axle.
Go here
Site Link
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:14
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:14
Comming from the man who came way too close to rolling his car yesterday as the IFS didn't have suspention drop.
mate the travel you have with the IFS is all you get, the CV’s are at the end of the day the limiting factor, you can re engineer the IFS for more travel but the CV’s will fail very quickly.
You want travel and more than 2.5” of
suspension lift up front you need a live axle.
Drop Brackets don’t count as you still have the same wheel travel the IFS set up is just dropped lower to lift the chassis.
Cheers.
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Reply By: 944runner - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 13:53
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 13:53
as you can tell by the name I have the same vehicle.
I have been happy with the OME 2" lift setup I put on
mine and I have no problems with body roll etc, it is actually a whole lot better than factory crap that was on there before. My only regret is not getting it setup with long travel shocks etc. Although if I had the coil I would do the SAS conversion.
As for the clutch I have replaced it with a heavdy duty one from www.xtremeoutback.com.au/ and am more than happy.
As for torque I think you may be stuck there unless you go with extraxtors sports exhaust and possible rechip. Even then you may be struggling to get any decent extra power out of it.
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Follow Up By: Matty9111 - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 16:17
Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 16:17
Gday 944runner thanks for the reply, can i ask what an SAS conversion is?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 17:03
Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 17:03
SAS = "solid axle conversion" or "straight axle conversion".
Cutting out the IFS and replacing the front with a straight axle out of a Hilux (in your case)
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Follow Up By: Matty9111 - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 19:31
Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 19:31
Yeah that was a pretty stupid question, sorry about that, i should have realised. Cheers for the answer though. Do you know how much they cost?
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Reply By: madfisher - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:28
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:28
Hi Matt
I have a 22r fourrunner and have the oposite problem, low down torque and nothering up high above 4000rpm. Bit I settled on lovells EHD and hd enforcer shocks on the rear(the shocks are too hardbecause they supplied me with Landcruiser shocks) and monroe magums on the front which I recommend. I had trouble with the rear springs bottoming out. With a boat hooked up it is still higher at the back than standard. Have a look at their website it is excellant THe 4 cylinder runner has better low down torque than our Paj, which is nicer to drive on the highway
CXheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Matty9111 - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 14:22
Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 14:22
So Munroe Magnums are good, I have heard about them before. How much did you lift it?
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 17:26
Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 17:26
The rear is now about 3in higher than standard, because it was sagged 2 ins. The EHD are a bit stiff but great for towing and better articulation. I have yet to see a standard 4 runner not sagged at the rear. The front is standard with the h.d. shocks. The ride is a bit on the hard side but still a lot better trhan a lux with leaves. I will find out how good they are when I start to cart in firewood in April.
Cheers Pete
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