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Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:09
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Many moons ago I was told that Aussie 'Joe Blakes' don't have hollow fangs- like Asian & American ones. Apparently the venom doesn't enter via the fangs, but is secreted down the fangs from glands in the gums.
This means if ya get bitten- with long pants/shoes or whatever, the majority of the venom won't enter the skin.
With the hollow fanged varities, the venom is injected thru the fangs like a hypodermic syringe.
Any experts out there can confirm this???
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:22

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:22
My limited understanding is that the Australian venomous varieties, by and large do not have long fangs and this is what helps when wearing long trousers and boots.

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Follow Up By: Camoco - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:52

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:52
The eastern Brown (like the one the young fella got bitten by) has fangs of approx 3mm. Even good gloves would generally prevent injection here. (not stop entirely)
I don't know if they are hollow or not. I would think that the length of the fang and the speed they strike would suggest they are hollow, but I do not know.

Usually being bitten on the hand means only one of two things.
1. Touching things you shouldn't.
2. Putting your hand into places you can't see.

Play safe, wear proper clothes when bushwalking, and leave the locals alone.

Cheers Cam
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Reply By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:28

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:28
Hello - according to the books I have - all front fanged snakes have fangs that are efectivey hollow - similar to hypodermic needles. All sea snakes and all but five of Australias venemous land and freshwater snakes are front fanged. The rear fanged snakes, which are not common in Australia, have an open groove along the fang lenght.

On venomous land snakes - family Elapidae - 90 (described) species in Australia - all front fanged with enlarged syringe like fangs set at front of mouth and connected to a venom gland at the rear of the head via a duct beneath the skin on the upper jaw. Note - most are not dangerous to humans..though the ones that are among the worlds most lethal snakes.

Another interesting fact - Australia is the only continent where there are more venomous snakes than non venemous snakes (but still keep in mind most are not dangerous to humans ...so dont panic:)

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Follow Up By: porl - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:34

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:34
O/T i know but that ringtail possum in your photos is seriously cute, must be the closest aussie thing to a panda, amazing.
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Reply By: Beer Pig - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:48

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:48
Only 1 in 20 snake bites need anti-venom and they only bite for 2 ressons food and fear.

Most of the time its a dry bite when people get bitten but i would still get to the hospital ASAP to get it checked out.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 12:37

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 12:37
Unfortunalty brown snakes always strike with the mouth wide open. I have been hit by a tiger snake and it never opened its mouth thank god. Mate got bitten while standing in water and suffered no ill effects, most of the poison was washed away so maybe something in the trickle down treory. Lesson is always carry a snake bandage and do not run to get help if bitten
I see in todays local paper their has been over

100 snakes caught this summer in Bathurst
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: mfewster - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:22

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:22
I have always been under the impression, but need to double check my facts, that most of the Oz snakes have a groove in the tooth. Not as efficient as a hollow tooth, but still transmitting more venom than a smooth tooth.
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Reply By: Redback - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:55

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:55
Here ya go have a look at this

Australian snake fangs

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 13:39

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 13:39
Thats good info, Thanks Baz.
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Reply By: Member - Barry M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 13:31

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 13:31
Just for info..the Sydney Daily Telegraph says today that the young bloke that
died as a result of snakebite had picked up the snake & was trying to put it in his shirt. Hard to believe , not that the Tele is always believable. But I believe it is difficult to be bitten on the hands unless trying to touch a reptile... anyway, still a
sad & unfortunate incident...oldbaz.
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Reply By: kimprado - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:45

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:45
Gidday Signman

There hollow.

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Kim
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Follow Up By: Redback - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 19:55

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 19:55
No there not
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:25

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:25
Redback - I am confused by your statemnt - Best you re-read the reference you posted (and my post - I didnt make it up) eg form your reference - "In elapids and seasnakes ... teeth generally have an enclosed hollow"
..but then you state "No there not"
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Follow Up By: kimprado - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:24

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:24
Redback,

I've been bitten twice in the Bush and have been swiped a few times.

I don't give a rats about theory. The bloody things have hollow fangs!

Go and thump a few on the head and have a look. jeeze!

Kim
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 08:16

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 08:16
kimprado...redback aint allowed to go thump them on the head...guess he'll have to do it live
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Follow Up By: Redback - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 12:40

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 12:40
LOL, i know they are hollow, if you look at the site link i posted as i think Signman has you were stating the obvious Kim, hence my more of a sarcastic remark.

certainly got tonges waging he he he.

As for thumping them eerrr no thanks i steer clear of them, standing and watching them while i film them will do, besides there harmless unless you agravate them.

Baz.
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Reply By: Tia Maria - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:32

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:32
For all practical purposes you are correct and clothing is a good protection. This is also a good reason for not cleaning the site of a bite. IF the snake envenomates then there will be venom on the surface of the skin which allows identification of the snake.

Fascinating creatures aren"t they.

John L.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:34

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:34
An interesting fact re snakes: There are no snakes in Ireland so some smart thinker imported a boatload of Irish soil & put it in a trench around Vaucluse House in Sydney to stop the snakes crossing the immaculatley manicured lawns....Tis true...
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:05

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:05
Your post actually relates more to how "interesting" some humans can be.....though "interesting" may be a bit misleading.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 12:52

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 12:52
Mr Fawlty,

Are you sure it was'nt a failed attempt to keep the two legged snakes inside Vaucluse House ????
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:08

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:08
Try this link(s) scienceworks.museum.vic.gov.au/pdf/ViciousVenoms_snake.pdf
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Reply By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:49

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 21:49
Long fangs, hollow fangs, vented fangs, respitory fangs, refunctory fangs.......

I don't care, I treat them all as dangerous and keep the buggery away from them. On the whole, they generally piss off when they sense, or feel any movement.

In all my time of bush camping I've only ever had to deal with one recalcitrant snake with the shovel.

Getting killed by a snake would be like getting killed by a shark. It's not impossible, but extremely unlikely.
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