Dingo Dell

Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 15:38
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Hi All,

I represent the Owner of DINGO DELL. For the information of your subscribers the fire trails south of DINGO DELL ARE NOT PUBLIC ROADS, nor is there any public right of way along these fire trails where they cross the property. Both Banshee Hill and the Kowmung River Fire trails can be both gated and permanently locked by the owner.

The owners are trying hard not to lock the Kowmung River Fire trail, but the lack of support from our neighbours (like the NP&WS), the Hoons discussed in this thread and the fact that many drivers simply ignore the No Trespassing signs make it more likely that these roads will be shut than not. Your can help prevent this by: -
1) Respecting the Private property. How would they like their backyard to be treated?
2) Reporting any hoons and vandals to the police or myself.
3) Not camping on or damaging the private property or the adjoining national park.
4) Keeping to the formed track of the Kowmung River Fire Trail

For more information see www.glenreef.com.au/TuglowHole.htm


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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 15:55

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 15:55
Hi Nigel,
Would it be possible to supply a 'mud map' of the area in contention.??
I was over there late November, and must say it was confusing as to which roads are useable and those which are not.
Like all subscribers on this forum, I prefer to do the right thing !!
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Follow Up By: Dingo Dell - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 16:07

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 16:07
Hi Signman,

If you follow the following URL, there is a MAP: -


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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 16:13

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 16:13
The map in question leaves a lot to be desired with which ones are actually closed to the general public though.

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Follow Up By: Charlie - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:09

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:09
HI Kev
The very fine dashed line on the topo map represent the roads reserve, any road on a topo map that moves outside those lines is entering private property.
Unfortunately a lot of roads entering national parks were never formally constructed in the right place bringing us into conflict with the surrounding property owner, especially if the relevant government authority is not willing to kick in for road maintenance.
Regards Charlie
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Reply By: Dingo Dell - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 16:52

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 16:52
Hi Kev,

I'll put up another map tomorrow.


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Follow Up By: Member - Jason S (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:12

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:12
A quote from the URL

"The increased popularity of four wheel drive vehicles and the consequent upswing in their use off road. Regrettably an element of four wheel drive users show a disregard for the environment, their damage can be clearly seen on both sides of the eastern ridge of Dingo Dell, with many roads being pushed up the steeper and steepest sections of the ridge. Presumably this action is to demonstrate their vehicle’s capabilities."

Yeah , nice

Nigel, get in a car and see if you can find the way through this section you are talking about with nothing but the map you have referred to.

Getting on this forum to post your grievances about something that is between Glenreef and the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service is absolutely nothing to do with me.

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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:25

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:25
Regardless of the issues between the Parks & Wildlife and the owners of private property, IMHO the following still applies.
Private Property is still private property, entry with out permission is still trespassing.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:51

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:51
Don't quite know what Jason's "Bee in the Bonnet" is about because as I read your post you are merely bringing to our attention that an area generally considered to be National Park and subject to public access, is in fact, Private Property. You then go on to courteously request that those who use the area treat it with respect.

I read the attached thread as merely offering an overview of the problems associated with caring/managing the area.

I have been through the area off and on over the last thirty five odd years and would hate to see access restricted. Good luck in your endeavours to limit damage and remediate that done to date.

I remember the sheer bastardry inflicted by NPWS on the owners of Yeranderey wherby they blocked the OLD Colong Stock Route to prevent all vehicle access into Yerranderey. I did read what it cost them in legals to beat National Parks and have the road opened again to the public, can't now remember the amount other than it was horrific. I hope you have a better result.

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 21:28

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 21:28
I'm with you Ian - just getting the info out to everyone to do the right thing....

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Reply By: Charlie - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:15

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 18:15
Interesting read Nigel, it’s been a long time since I’ve been down that way but have to admit I’ve always assumed they were public roads as do most I guess, no excuse for ignoring no trespassing signs of course.

I’m not sure about your idea of building bridges across the rivers it would just bring in more hoons in my opinion.
Regards Charlie
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Reply By: Middle Jeff - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 22:34

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 22:34
You may have good intentions, but I think their is more to this than meets the eye.
This land was purchased 22 months ago, in that time nothing has changed all the rules and reg's were their when you paid for it. Now you want people to pay to go on your property ( Eco-Tourism ), so it would be easier to restrict access so you could do this, you also want to clear some of the land and build dams ( like that is going to happen, on Sydney's main water catchment ).

I hope I am wrong and you are just trying to help, if so I am sorry.

Have fun
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Follow Up By: Dingo Dell - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:47

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:47
Hi Jeff.

Ever the conspiracy theorist eh? Sorry this is not an episode from X-Files, we've owned the adjoining property for over 25 years.


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Reply By: macca172 - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:44

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:44
Quote="lack of support from our neighbours(like the NP&WS)


The NP&WS aka the "Bush Police" are as useless as a boil on the butt of a six day bycycle rider! All they do is seek publicity from the media and run around telling all how good they are. What needs do be done with that mob, like a lot of other NSW government departments(including the RTA) is to clean out the brain dead overpaid public servants who run the show and get back to the basics. Then and only then will things start to happen in the state.
Mate, you tell the owner of the property that I for one, appreciate his efforts and I do and will continue to abide by his requests and thank him for his ongoing tolerances in this matter.

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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 09:05

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 09:05
Nigel, now that some people here are aware that some of that area is private property, what you need to do is erect some signs ( so everyone can see ) telling all visitors to the area that it is private property !!!! And a clearly signposted access route thru the property with fences where you don't want people to go !!

I'm sure 90% of people will do the right thing, but unfortunately there will still be the hoon brigade that will try to stuff it up for the rest of us.

But, please, do not close off any areas without trying a bit of consultation. Look how alienated the National Parks got themselves by doing just that.
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Follow Up By: Dingo Dell - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:58

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:58
Hi Gronk,

Good advice. We've already been consulting both the NP&WS and the 4WD community in general. Overlander and 4X4 Australia have both been kind enough to put travel bulletins in recent copies of their magazines informing their readers of the situation at Dingo Dell. The NSW 4WD association has also been kind enough to offer support by both informing their members and offering to help with the remediation process. The reason for this post is to get the information to the broader 4WD community.

We have been putting up both fences and signs to help direct people where it's OK to drive (and where it's not). Unfortunately some people don't like signs. We've had one removed completely, two bent up so much you can no longer read them, a gate mangled and a number of survey pegs pulled out of the ground and thrown into the bush. Then there are the people simply ignoring both NP&WS and our signs!@@!! What's a bloke meant to do?


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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 13:46

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 13:46
Nigel, I have found the best way of wording a sign is to ask ( please respect our property etc ) people to do something as opposed to trying to tell them ( keep out, tresspassers prosecuted !! ).

Works for most normal people ! Don't know how you deal with the ratbags though ??

I'm sure, with the threat of closure, a few 4wd clubs could have a field day out there doing some general tidying up and fence or sign rebuilding ???
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